MacronvFrugals wrote: » Google tells workers to return to country where they are employed “have been asked to return by year end, partly due to tax and legal reasons”https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/google-tells-workers-to-return-to-country-where-they-are-employed-1.4367674
schmittel wrote: » Not to you clearly, but there are plenty of WFH deniers on here.
awec wrote: » They hardly needed confirmed?
schmittel wrote: » And fairly comprehensive in confirming the notion that employees can now just move wherever they want in Ireland. Even if they can't walk for a pint
awec wrote: » Maybe Davy's source was this forum and all the posters claiming there had been a mass exodus of MNC workers out of Ireland? The article is fairly comprehensive in rubbishing the notion that employees can now just move wherever they want.
The tech giant has a ‘flexible working’ policy that allows staff to work outside the office but within Ireland.
Hubertj wrote: » a couple of my nextdoor neighbours work in google. they went home to southern europe for a few months. LinkedIn were advised they could leave Ireland for maximum 6 months. I'd imagine some left Dublin and rented elsehwere to take advantage of cheaper rent for a year.
thefridge2006 wrote: » Property report claims thousands of tech workers left Dublin during pandemichttps://www.independent.ie/business/technology/property-report-claims-thousands-of-tech-workers-left-dublin-during-pandemic-39572891.html Looks like Davy's were caught making up stuff to spook the rental market, how many more dirty tricks are going on ? This is actually hilarious what a bunch of snakes..... something funny going on here..... looks like Davys are extremely worried to come up with this type of underhanded dirty move "Davy declined to respond to questions about the report, which was circulated widely among its clients."
thefridge2006 wrote: » ha, or maybe they are beginning to see the writing on the wall and trying dirty tactics to bleed the last bit of money out of people ? Either way, they are making up reports but using anecdotal evidence..... that screams desperation to me.
awec wrote: » Maybe Davy's source was this forum and all the posters claiming there had been an exodus of workers out of Ireland?
The Davy report says that the figures come from “anecdotal” sources.
The_Conductor wrote: » The census figures for the number of vacant livable properties- was shown to be patently false. Fingal Co. Co., Dublin City Council and Galway City Council- got a list of all the properties listed as vacant by CSO enumerators- and found fewer than 1-in-10 of them were actually vacant. The vast majority were occupied by non-nationals who had refused to acknowledge their presence when someone with a clipboard knocked on their door.......... I think (from memory) the total number of properties found to be vacant in a 100% survey by Dublin city council, at the time, was 382 units. The CSO did put out a statement after the fact- and there were meetings on how to minimise the likelihood of a similar type data issue occuring in future polls. On a related note- the census was quietly postponed for a year during Covid- so its going to be a year late.
As part of this work, they recorded vacant dwellings in their area, using detailed methodology and definitions applied consistently over the past three consecutive Censuses. The CSO is confident that it's vacant dwelling figures are a robust point-in-time record around the 24th April 2016. In relation to the recent sample survey work on vacant dwellings conducted by Fingal County Council, the CSO did not provide a list of vacant dwellings to the Council as the CSO only ever disseminates aggregate statistics.
The CSO is in the process of contacting Fingal County Council to seek information on a number of issues, including the methodology and definitions applied by the council in compiling their numbers
A desk-top study to “drill into the figures” identified 361 potentially vacant dwellings. “Pilot inspections in two areas of the county were carried out, with 74 [of the 361 units] inspected, resulting in 13 units identified as actually vacant.”
The_Conductor wrote: » There was considerable press coverage given to the issue at the time- and of course there is a Leo Varadker statement on the matter. Its quite easy to find it- even Google has it in its first few search records if you care to check.
landofthetree wrote: » But 13% of all jobs will be lost.https://mobile.twitter.com/danobrien20/status/1310965765395406859
three putt wrote: » What source of data would you rely on for the Irish property market? Using this trusted source, what does the data say about the sales prices in the Irish housing market for 2020?
The_Conductor wrote: » That might account for why the Geodirectory survey had over 70k fewer vacant properties than the census did- however, it doesn't account for the manner in which the local authorities visited properties listed as vacant (including some 60k which were also vacant in 2011) and found them not to be vacant at all. There was considerable press coverage given to the issue at the time- and of course there is a Leo Varadker statement on the matter. Its quite easy to find it- even Google has it in its first few search records if you care to check.
PropQueries wrote: » From my understanding, the Census enumerators visit every house and most on more than one occasion. The GeoDirectory survey is completed by the An Post postmen.
cnocbui wrote: » A lot - an awful lot - would depend on how GeoDirectory compiled their data set. Such as how they determined if a building was a habitable house or a shed. The Eircode finder seems to use the exact same data set, near as I can tell, and it can't give an Eircode for the house I mentioned, so I think it's reasonable to suppose their methodology isn't that sound. The readership of this thread is tiny on a national scale, so what are the chances one poster in a tiny sample of the population can find a demonstrable error in the data set? So out of the whole population it could well be they are off by thousands. By the way, the house in question is on the map, so i suspect they are going off OS data sets and are somehow trying to ascribe use by guestimation, and not physically visiting every building in Ireland and ascertaining what it's true nature and condition is.
PropQueries wrote: » I'm sure they over-counted the number of vacant homes by 'tens of thousands'. Entirely possible I guess. So, what's the reason why nobody believes the GeoDirectory survey for Q2 2020. There's only two on-the-ground surveys done in Ireland i.e. Census and the GeoDirectory survey. Maybe they're both off by 'tens of thousands'. I'll admit it's entirely possible, but probably not very likely.
thefridge2006 wrote: » My thinking also. it's all set up to be smashed. We haven't even had winter yet and another national lockdown could be on the cards.
cnocbui wrote: » I own a house that has never been on a census and which I don't think the county council even knows exists, apart from maybe it has a property ID and tax is paid on it, but I'm not sure they cross reference that to anything. So much for any belief that 'official' means diddly squat.
PropQueries wrote: » I think the figure put out for obsolescence is c. 8,000 per year and I think many commentators don't truly believe that figure. But say it's correct, that's 40,000 homes every five years. We had 180,000 vacant livable homes in Census 2016 or 90,000 vacant livable homes in the GeoDirectory Survey Q2 2020. So, I don't think obsolescence is as big a factor as some make it out to be.
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