Russman wrote: So the nerds love the spotlight and attention they never got in school, so they thought they’d crash the economy to get some of the good lovin’ and then keep it crashed because by God this oul attention lark is good fun eh ?
dubrov wrote: Let's face it, continuing with the current approach is the easy option for the government. If it is incorrect, they can just point to the rest of Europe and state everyone else is doing it.
Wanderer78 wrote: Easy option how?
OMM 0000 wrote: » Why isn't this bigger news? The virus is mainly killing people who are a few years older than the average lifespan. And these old people can be easily isolated as they don't need to work anymore. Yet for some reason the government has decided to destroy the economy, destroy the lives of millions of Irish people, and cause an absolute mass of depression, abuse and addiction problems.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » No. What we need to be looking at is that Covid disproportionately affects those who are obese. Now does your link take into account the life quality of those who are obese, above the age of life expectancy in a nursing home?
reg114 wrote: » Are you familiar with the terms pericarditis or cardiac arrythmia ? Pericarditis is an inflammation of the sac around the heart, and arrythmia is a disruption to the regular beating of the heart. Doctors are discovering both are symptoms of covid 19 and have been found in 75% of ALL COVID patients regardless of age. Both cardiac conditions are serious and can increase likelihood of heart attack at . Note I said 'regardless of age'.https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/07/27/Three-quarters-of-adults-with-COVID-19-have-heart-damage-after-recovery/5451595856303/ Covid 19 is disproportionately affecting those people who are obese, that is 50 % of Irish population, it also affects those with high blood pressure disproportionately which is 51% of the entire population. So with such a large 'at risk population' (outside of the elderly in nursing homes) based on high blood pressure and obesity stats, plus the long term cardiac and pulmonary effects its not really advisable to open up the economy and let the virus run rampant. There also could be other symptoms we are not aware of. Throw in the fact that Ireland has the lowest hospital bed and more specifically ICU bed numbers per capita of all oecd countries which terrifies the HSE because if there is an increase in cases that need to be hospitalised the HSE has nowhere to treat these patients. I think the icu capacity in the entire country is only about 400 beds which is nothing. So its the serious cardiac symptoms which can also affect younger patients, combined with the high pool of target obese / high blood pressure Irish population combined with lack of beds that is driving the cautious approach by the Irish and indeed every other government right now.
_Whimsical_ wrote: » You have to bare in mind that a long haul covid syndrome is becoming increasingly common and at present we do not know what the outcome of that will be. James's hospital was featured on the news today and their research so far is that 50% of patients are still reporting disabling symptoms several months after infection, even those who had mild illness.
dubrov wrote: » Let's face it, continuing with the current approach is the easy option for the government. If it is incorrect, they can just point to the rest of Europe and state everyone else is doing it.
s1ippy wrote: » That's different. The lungs can generally repair themselves well enough (maybe not good as new but they'll functionally improve), but if the heart muscle is badly damaged, it can't. It will remain damaged for as long as you need to use your heart.https://www.myocarditisfoundation.org/about-myocarditis/
dubrov wrote: » Because changing means being an outlier. If it goes wrong you get crucified
Wanderer78 wrote: » so theyre deliberately crashing the economy, to save face?
Zebra3 wrote: » It's been done before. Just look at how "the cheapest bailout in the world" worked out for us.
dubrov wrote: » Let's face it, continuing with the current approach is the easy option for the government. If it is incorrect, they can just point to the rest of Europe and state everyone else is doing it. I'd be happier if the government just admitted they are holding on for a vaccine.
Russman wrote: » Or maybe the combined best medical and scientific minds across Europe came to the conclusion that the current approach was the best option ? I think everybody knows that every government is holding out for a vaccine tbh. I mean, even take a situation where the virus is let run wild or even if we tried to "protect the vulnerable" (whatever that actually means), its only a matter of time before ICUs fill up regardless. Do you tell young Joe who happens to need ICU to get over COVID that ".....sorry, Peter needs it more because he's had a heart attack so he get's it first" ? or do you tell Peter that "sorry mate we're full of COVID patients, but sure ye wanted the economy open, whattaya gonna do ?" Thats apart from the fact that the economy IS mostly open, but people can't f--king behave or just change their behaviours for a few more months. Are we really that desperate for a few pints ?
OMM 0000 wrote: » Are they releasing details of the ages of those who die? I saw them for a few countries and the average age of people who die of covid is higher than the average age of people who die of everything else. For example, following the same logic as other countries, if the average age of men dying in Ireland is 78, then I would expect to see the average age of men dying of covid to be 82 or so. In other words, people live longer than average if they die of covid.... I'm not into conspiracy theories but the fact it's so hard to find this information makes me feel there is some dishonesty going on with the data. If it turns out almost no one under 50 dies of this disease, then serious questions need to be asked as to why everyone was forced to stay at home when it should have only been the old and sick.
IAmTheReign wrote: » ................ The number of people who are seriously impacted by the measures in place to control COVID far exceeds the number of people actually impacted by the disease itself. Telling someone who's depressed and has lost their job to stop complaining because they can't go to the pub is condescending in the extreme.
IAmTheReign wrote: » Telling someone who's depressed and has lost their job to stop complaining because they can't go to the pub is condescending in the extreme.
OMM 0000 wrote: » I think a lot of the pro-lockdown folk live with their parents and aren't fully independent.
Zebra3 wrote: » And then there's the ones who can WFH, no pay cut, no more commuting time or bills, more time with the kids, all rosey, why are so many people complaining "we are all in this together"?
OMM 0000 wrote: » I am working from home in a country with no lockdown. I am in senior management in IT so I'm one of the lucky ones. My concern isn't for me, I'm going to be fine, even if I lose my job I have a lot of savings. But I know most people aren't lucky like me and they are really struggling. Seeing these mismanaged lockdowns is infuriating. We have idiots running countries.
OMM 0000 wrote: » This is why I wish there was accurate profile information next to each person's comment. I think a lot of the pro-lockdown folk live with their parents and aren't fully independent. Try having a few kids, losing your job, and wondering how you're going to pay your bills next month. And then you look at the data and realise you and your immediate family have virtually zero risk from this virus. And then you look at who's making the decisions to destroy the country and economy and you realise they are all wealthy with secure jobs. Yet when you question the lockdown and point out how many other countries have continued almost as if this virus doesn't exist and things are mostly fine, people start saying the real issue is you are just tired of not being able to get pints. And to make things even worse, these people double down on their opinions and refuse to learn anything new.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Some said it last week, trying to reason someone out of an opinion with stats and data, when that person hasn't reasoned themseves into that opinion with stats and data is pointless. There has been an abdication of all self thought. Fact is, excess deaths are at about 850 for the year until July, and the months after are well below average.A point is going to come, when Covid wont actually have killed anyone at all
IAmTheReign wrote: » Would you stop going on like people are only unhappy because they can't get out for a pint? The lockdown is having actual negative consequences. 200,000 people are currently out of work because of COVID 10s of thousands can't pay their mortgage At risk youths are unable to access support services The number of people accessing mental health services more than doubled during lockdown The number of people who are seriously impacted by the measures in place to control COVID far exceeds the number of people actually impacted by the disease itself. Telling someone who's depressed and has lost their job to stop complaining because they can't go to the pub is condescending in the extreme.
Wanderer78 wrote: » running a country isnt easy, you can be damn sure boardies such as ourselves wouldnt be able to do a better job, but our egos might tell us otherwise
OMM 0000 wrote: » This goes beyond difficulty.They have literally chosen to destroy the economy and the lives of a large percentage of the population. And they are still trying to do it, even though we know (Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, etc.) it is completely unnecessary.
bobbyy gee wrote: » Projected deaths 19000https://covid19.healthdata.org/ireland?view=total-deaths&tab=trend
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