Dunston wrote: » Developers are lobbying for €85k HTB? Any source for this?
PropQueries wrote: » I'd believe that many of the smaller developers are holding out for the budget to see if there's anything in it to keep prices steady. If there's not, I would predict many will start following Glenveagh's lead and start dropping their advertised prices very significantly just to get their money back at least, never mind a profit. Even if there is, it will be a stop-gap measure. If they did increase the help-to-buy to €85k as the developers are lobbying for, that measure would be removed within two years (due to budget constraints) and the prices would drop anyway. Will potential buyers realise this and hold out? Some obviously will want/ need to still buy but I would reckon professional investors would be very wary of such incentives. Would be good for first time buyers if investors did show less interest though.
PommieBast wrote: » Are they going to have anti-riot barriers like they put up in 2013 and 2014?
PropQueries wrote: » But I do agree with you that it's not a discussion until that date: REMEMBER - 6p.m. on the 13th October will be very very interesting here and as sad as my life appears to be, I'm actually looking forward to seeing and debating the discussion on here...
Browney7 wrote: » I briefly heard this on the radio that FTBs made up a large portion of the August sales. My first thoughts were the "dumb" money so to speak is all that's left and the smart money is sitting on the sidelines.
Pelezico wrote: » It really is getting to be quite beautiful.
The Belly wrote: » One lockdown after another coming. Don't know whats going on with the 3rd level sector but between that and zero tourism prices won't hold firm for very long in the rental sector.
jill_valentine wrote: » Landlords won't dip below their established rents until they have absolutely no choice because it affects what they can charge in future, they're holding out in the face of that reality as long as possible. A big factor, additionally, is that up until literally today students were still being told they would be required to attend part of their courses in person. It's likely deposits and rent have already changed hands for the first month at least in a lot of cases. 1-2 months time could be a cold shower for that particular sector, after a summer of no AirBnB's and starting a winter of no students.
schmittel wrote: » To bring it back to 2020, last month no less... Banking and Payments federation say that last month’s mortgages represent highest share ever of FTBs. Canary in a coal mine? i.e they’re not panic buying.
Pelezico wrote: » Rents are not falling because that will have implications for their ability to rise again. So rents will remain static but watch vacancy rates soar.
Pelezico wrote: » Endless self indulgence about Apple with loads of commentators trying to be clever cats spoils the thread. Give me neutral guy every time.
PropQueries wrote: » Ok, with AirBnB effectively gone (reported at c.5,000 houses and apartments in Co. Dublin pre-covid) and the demand for student accommodation must also be well down. Why haven't rents/prices of properties in Dublin and other major cities in Ireland dropped yet? But, it has been a short period of time.
PropQueries wrote: » Remember, one of the many acts by Michael Noonan to get the market moving last time was to basically ban bedsits. Basically he threw the bottom 1% of the population under the proverbial bus in "their" interest.
schmittel wrote: » Quite possibly. Which is why personally I think these things are more suited to this thread which is a general property market thread, albeit one labelled 2020, but it seems we cannot discuss them here.
Pelezico wrote: » Bet nobody contributes to this new thread after about a week.
schmittel wrote: » Could you make it a Medium/Long term thread in general rather than just taxation? So we can discuss macroeconomics, domestic and global trends affecting Irish property, generally and those arising from covid, demographic changes etc etc. All of these factors seem to be a bit frowned upon here, but are actually pretty relevant to the property market.
Graham wrote: » There should definitely be a thread to discuss the long-term implications of taxation on the Irish property market. I'll see if I can split out some of the recent posts.....
schmittel wrote: » They’re tangential indeed. But only an utter fool would suggest Ireland’s corporate tax rate and the jobs it supports was tangential to the Irish property market. Though some might say the thread is a free for all for utter fools.
The Banking and Payments Federation reports that 3,875 mortgages were taken out last month, 2,259 of them by people buying their first home.
”I suppose demand is mostly on the first-time buyers because for second and subsequent buyers, there are other factors affecting them.”
schmittel wrote: » I suspect none of it, as all parties concerned have bigger issues on their mind. But it is certainly relevant on the day the EU appeal a court ruling saying our tax arrangements are in order. And often in this thread long term considerations are discussed that might impact the value of a new build housing estate, like future planning permissions in the area or long term plans for public transport upgrAdes. Or we often discuss the need to build 30k houses a year for the next decade with impunity. Equally it seems to be an acceptable comment that prices will not fall in the short term because pharma and tech buyers are going gangbusters. If I was a buyer in 2020 entering into a 30 year mortgage all these long term factors would be relevant to me. But I sense you are saying it is irrelevant?
schmittel wrote: » There’s been a lot of chat about it recently, but in the context of house prices the future of our 12.5% rate and how it applies to MNCs is significant. Worst case scenario some Eu directive outlaws it and they upsticks and leave 10s of thousands jobless. That won’t help house prices. Certainly a relevant discussion in my opinion.
cnocbui wrote: » Reading between the lines, there is a good chance they will call them back if they will be slugged more tax, which they should be. This country offers a low corporate tax rate as there is a belief the employment generated is worth the discount. If the Multinationals stop holding up their end of the deal, even the Irish government might be stirred to do something.
The_Conductor wrote: » They already got an additional 10k in the fillip that was given to first time buyers- if they imagine there are more goodies coming on the way, they're not going to be happy. At the moment we are spending money like there is no tomorrow- because we can- but there is already an end-date on borrow and spend- when the Commission will re-assert budget rules on member states. Keep in mind- we're paying between 8 and 9 billion on servicing debt per annum- and thats at ultra low interest rates. If/when rates rise- its going to hurt badly. If developers think there is something in the budget for them- they have another thing coming.
