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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

magicbastarder

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Duckjob

I can't believe Pat Kenny is bringing up lack of bicycle bells to a man whose sister was killed by a left turning truck at an unprotected junction.

Mind.Blown.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Hadn't listened to PK in ages. Won't bother doing so again. The guy is a complete bellend.

Macy0161

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Hadn't listened to PK in ages. Won't bother doing so again. The guy is a complete bellend.

It was really appalling this morning. Completely absolving motorists in a left hook situation. "Has a bike himself" too. :rolleyes:

Prime example why we need Presumed Liability.

Duckjob

Neil is a quality speaker. He can recognise when PK is trying to steer the conversation towards the usual nonsense and just gently pushes it back to what is really important for change.

Of course PK acts all nicey nicey to his face but I'm sure will relish reading out all the usual braindead bilious texts after he's gone. What a two faced snake.

tomasrojo

I remember his pompous and misleading musings on climate change a few years ago. I would have said on that basis that he's been quite an extreme character for quite a while, but I suppose he's not that unusual among right-wing radio carnival barkers. The difference is he has a residual reputation for being a serious current affairs journalist.

[Deleted User]

Has he been on about "the plumes" lately?

what_traffic

Duckjob wrote: »

Neil is a quality speaker. He can recognise when PK is trying to steer the conversation towards the usual nonsense and just gently pushes it back to what is really important for change.

Agree - he did very well.

LeoD

buffalo wrote: »

Pat is so awkward at phrasing, is it a subtle undermining or trying to overcome his natural bias?

"I can picture it - a cyclist bent on going straight, which they have every right to do..."

I was raging from that point on. Imagine sitting in front of someone who's sister was killed in such a violent manner and interrupting them to speculate out load how she died? What a f**king imbecile.

buffalo

LeoD wrote: »

I was raging from that point on. Imagine sitting in front of someone who's sister was killed in such a violent manner and interrupting them to speculate out load how she died? What a f**king imbecile.

I could feel the anger building alright. I don't think I've ever intentionally listened to Newstalk before, but I switched it off shortly after that and I can't see myself ever tuning back in.

breezy1985

https://youtu.be/PrYwCwtX0JM

I can't think of anyone who is a bigger ejit than Pat Kenny in Irish media

Thelonious Monk

I missed this one today and yesterday, thankfully. I mean PK has a nice house in Killiney, a cushy job, probably a nice car he can drive in and out to work from. Living a good life it seems. Why does he have a problem with cyclists? I wonder where he gets this from?

Duckjob

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I missed this one today and yesterday, thankfully. I mean PK has a nice house in Killiney, a cushy job, probably a nice car he can drive in and out to work from. Living a good life it seems. Why does he have a problem with cyclists? I wonder where he gets this from?

To be fair to PK, although he does seem to have some personal axe to grind, really he's just a cog in a large machine.

NT is, was and always will be horribly car-centric. When you switch on their stream, chances are first thing you'll hear is a car advert from one of their motoring sponsors. Their whole world revolves around promoting cars and driving as the only way to "do the important grown-up stuff" on this island. Anything else is seen as childish and "getting in the way".

They know their market too. They preach to a largely frustrated and frazzled audience while they sit captive in their cars on their daily commutes, and they realise there's a market in stirring up these angry people about anything that does not conform to the motor-centric way, and people cycling are at the top of that list.

[Deleted User]

Duckjob wrote: »

To be fair to PK, although he does seem to have some personal axe to grind, really he's just a cog in a large machine.

NT is, was and always will be horribly car-centric. When you switch on their stream, chances are first thing you'll hear is a car advert from one of their motoring sponsors. Their whole world revolves around promoting cars and driving as the only way to "do the important grown-up stuff" on this island. Anything else is seen as childish and "getting in the way".

They know their market too. They preach to a largely frustrated and frazzled audience while they sit captive in their cars on their daily commutes, and they realise there's a market in stirring up these angry people about anything that does not conform to the motor-centric way, and people cycling are at the top of that list.

Thank you for summing it up so nicely. Describes NT perfectly

Thelonious Monk

I used to listen to NT all the time. Now I can't stomach PK, obviously I can't listen to the breakfast show because of **shudder** Ciara Kelly, and Off the Ball is so repetitive and drawn out these days I can't be bothered with that either.
RTE radio 1 for me these days, a sign I'm getting old.

breezy1985

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I used to listen to NT all the time. Now I can't stomach PK, obviously I can't listen to the breakfast show because of **shudder** Ciara Kelly, and Off the Ball is so repetitive and drawn out these days I can't be bothered with that either.
RTE radio 1 for me these days, a sign I'm getting old.

These things are cyclical. 2fm was set up for the kids till the presenters and the kids got too old and some other station starts aiming for the kids and so on. Currently it's news talk for the oldies

magicbastarder

a friend of mine did this after i mentioned the pat kenny tweets in a group chat yesterday.

https://twitter.com/etienneshrdlu/status/1303674730701086720

Stark

Overpaid RTE "star" interviewing overpaid RTE "star". This is why we pay our license fees.

Seth Brundle

I listened to the interview today but didn't bother waiting for Pat to read out the listeners texts. Anyone hear what bile was sent in by the listeners today?

Duckjob

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I listened to the interview today but didn't bother waiting for Pat to read out the listeners texts. Anyone hear what bile was sent in by the listeners today?

I only heard him read out one which was asking why cyclists don't wear helmets.

CramCycle

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I used to listen to NT all the time. Now I can't stomach PK, obviously I can't listen to the breakfast show because of **shudder** Ciara Kelly, and Off the Ball is so repetitive and drawn out these days I can't be bothered with that either.
RTE radio 1 for me these days, a sign I'm getting old.

Me as well, I got out when that "journalist" Paul was brought in to cover the morning show. I can still tolerate off the ball for sports I have a passing interest in but the effort of trying to tune in with all the waffle they fill it with, I don't bother anymore. The NPR, TED talks and the Science show are grand, short and focused, but the rest of it is flag waving dribble from all of them.

Grassey

Dublin as a 15 minute city...

https://www.dublinchamber.ie/DublinChamberofCommerce/media/banners/Dublin_The-15-Minute-City.pdf

buffalo

buffalo wrote: »

I would love to see the context for that quote. Whether there's some justification, or whether "cyclists overtaking cars" is some kind of evil in itself.

The person must not drive at rush hour in the city, or presumably they'd be driven demented by all the cyclists overtaking cars!

I had a brief read of the consultation report this morning. Turns out there was zero context for the "cyclists overtaking cars" comment.

What drivers are saying?
* Watching speedometer would take concentration off the road. Cyclists overtaking cars.

How did this make it into the final report?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nLDCtU_2zrha_J5UD-1rAP7Fqc3gj_ZX/view

The J Stands for Jay

buffalo wrote: »

I had a brief read of the consultation report this morning. Turns out there was zero context for the "cyclists overtaking cars" comment.

How did this make it into the final report?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nLDCtU_2zrha_J5UD-1rAP7Fqc3gj_ZX/view

"This appears to be a measure aimed at reducing the quality of life for Dubliners, by
discouraging travel within the city and could potentially reduce the footfall in local
business at a time, when they are already struggling with a difficult economic"

All sorts of wrongness here.

Seth Brundle

Not usual for the Irish Times to have a story that is pro-cycling...
Róisín Ingle: Dublin’s bike revolution isn’t a cyclist-vs-motorist battle
Bicycles – or ‘Freedom Machines’ – are having an excellent pandemic. I stand and rejoice
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/r%C3%B3is%C3%ADn-ingle-dublin-s-bike-revolution-isn-t-a-cyclist-vs-motorist-battle-1.4354523

what_traffic

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Róisín Ingle: Dublin’s bike revolution isn’t a cyclist-vs-motorist battle
Bicycles – or ‘Freedom Machines’ – are having an excellent pandemic. I stand and rejoice
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/r%C3%B3is%C3%ADn-ingle-dublin-s-bike-revolution-isn-t-a-cyclist-vs-motorist-battle-1.4354523

this was a clever line written by Róisín
Three of the women, the three under 80, arrived at my house under their own steam thanks to their Freedom Machines.

Seth Brundle

Driver (33) who struck and killed father of three walks free

A man who knocked down and killed a cyclist has walked free from court.

Liam Cannon (33), of Derryconor, Gortahork, Co Donegal, had pleaded guilty to careless driving causing the death of Noel McDermott (43) in Gortahork.

Mr McDermott, a father of three originally from Hawthorn Heights in Letterkenny, died when he was struck by Mr Cannon on the afternoon of January 26, 2018.

He died at the scene of the collision, which took place on a sharp bend.
...
The investigation concluded that Cannon was going too fast into the bend to safely negotiate it and lost control of the car at speed and struck Mr McDermott.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/driver-33-who-struck-and-killed-father-of-three-walks-free-39535008.html

breezy1985

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Driver (33) who struck and killed father of three walks free

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/driver-33-who-struck-and-killed-father-of-three-walks-free-39535008.html

What would be the standard sentence if he had done this and killed another car driver?

TheChizler

breezy1985 wrote: »

What would be the standard sentence if he had done this and killed another car driver?

With no evidence of law breaking I'd imagine very similar.

[Deleted User]

TheChizler wrote: »

With no evidence of law breaking I'd imagine very similar.

Drivers are required by law to drive in a manner that allows you to stop within the distance you can see to be clear.

Harrybelafonte

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Drivers are required by law to drive in a manner that allows you to stop within the distance you can see to be clear.

Didn't realise it was this detailed, thought it was with due care and attention?