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The death of Thiago Cortes MOD NOTE IN OP

Thelonious Monk

The poor man was only 28 and had a fiance. Killed by 4 scumbags in a Ford Fiesta who then did a runner, in the IFSC area. He was hit on Monday but died today. How could you crash into a man and leave him dying there? I've spent enough time in that area to have seen children flying around on scramblers, foreign security guards attacked and having racist slurs shouted at them, f*cking horses racing up and down. In the city centre. It's ridiculous.
This case has really struck a chord with me because I cycle to work myself, and the fact that the guy is earning minimum wage working for Deliveroo, part of the gig economy, just trying to earn a few quid.
Law and order seems to be non existent in the city centre, I mean if we can't keep that under control what the f*ck do the Garda actually do?
Why are we ok with the city centre being such a hotbed of antisocial behaviour? I've lived in many cities before and I know other countries have problems, but you don't see the stuff you see in the city centre here in other city centres.
RIP to the poor man, and remember how rough these delivery guys have it in Dublin, they are often assaulted by scumbags and put up with all kinds of sh*t.

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Richard Hillman

The fact that they didn't come forward themselves, after it was much publicised says everything about them and needs to be held against them in court. **** their Guilty plea. They'll only plea guilty to reduce their sentence.

I doubt any of them will get more than 5 years. Our Brazilian community are about to get the low down of our shoddy justice system. Hopefully the Brazilian consulate gets involved.

opinionated3

When I see crime like this, I sometimes yearn for a death penalty in this country. These scrotes will probably never contribute anything meaningful to society so jail without parole would be a starter.. .

Thelonious Monk

The parents of these kids should have their social housing taken from them and given to more deserving people. It should be a privilege to live in the city centre given the vast majority of us could never afford to. Put them out in sticks somewhere.

Wee Kid

There has been a GoFundMe started (I would link it but can't as I'm a new user).

But search Thiago Cortes gofundme.com and you'll find it.

It would be helpful to the family especially to the fly his body home, that is so expensive to do.

Seth Brundle

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

When the risk is so immense, yes. The ratios involved do not make sense to me.

Just to be clear, cycling is not dangerous. However, having a dangerous driver on the road is dangerous to everyone but unfortunately vulnerable road users such as cyclists and pedestrains come out worst in any incident.
Now clarity aside, there is a risk there admittedly and whilst I abide by the law, many drivers that pass me unfortunately do not. I cannot control them, I can just look out for myself and make sure that I, as far as I can, stay safe.

However, the positives from cycling are huge. Prior to the lockdown, I cycled to work a grand total of four times this year (and that was because I had my son in on work experience with me).
I save money by cycling.
It actually takes me less time to commute by bike than it does by car (following the exact same route).
I am now quite fit. I used to be a heavy smoker and choose the car for any journey. I had a massive heart attack almost five years ago (genetics :rolleyes:). My cardiologist has instructed me to do five "strenuous exercise sessions each week". So I cycle. Today, I'll cross the 8000km in 2020 barrier which is a great achivement if I say so myself (all at a reasonably good pace).
I see things. When you're driving, you see very little of what's out there. Life passes you by. On a bike, you've more time to take in things - scenery, people, whatever.
I now feel great. I spent 11 years driving around the M50. I spent several years before that driving into Dublin city centre. I would get home tired, stressed, angry - whatever way i felt, it was very rarely a good feeling. Now when I get home, I might be pissed off because a driver close passed me but I still feel good. No matter how bad my day was, it doesn't matter by the timeI get home.

I know the risk is out there from dangerous drivers. But the benefits are so many that I'm not willing to let some selfish drivers bully me into submission.

End of rant

PhilOssophy

Haven't read the whole thread but it is dead right that there is no real fear of the Gardai.
But the Gardai are their own worst enemies. For years they have selectively turned a blind eye to stuff. You only need to look at the behaviour of EVERY type of road user.
I would also think the Gardai have a case to answer on Phil Hogan - they stopped him for using a mobile phone while driving, but it sounds like he just got a caution? WHY?
I don't want cops like America but I want them to be respected but feared.

adamshred

https://www.gofundme.com/f/thiago-cortes-rip

hynesie08

adamshred wrote:

Might wanna delete and repost that link pal, gives away your personal info.....

Pixel Eater

I'm always perplexed why anti-social behaviour is never an election issue, either local or national.

Seth Brundle

Pixel Eater wrote: »

I'm always perplexed why anti-social behaviour is never an election issue, either local or national.

because deep down we know that it will cost us and we'd rather get a tax reduction of €5 per month in any budget. Who needs services when you have a fiver :rolleyes:

Fritzbox

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Haven't read the whole thread but it is dead right that there is no real fear of the Gardai.
But the Gardai are their own worst enemies. For years they have selectively turned a blind eye to stuff. You only need to look at the behaviour of EVERY type of road user.
I would also think the Gardai have a case to answer on Phil Hogan - they stopped him for using a mobile phone while driving, but it sounds like he just got a caution? WHY?
I don't want cops like America but I want them to be respected but feared.

I don't know if you can really blame the Gardai so much - they are only doing what is expected of them. To misquote Joseph de Maistre a little bit: "Every country gets the police force it deserves". Is Ireland an exception?

[Deleted User]

I used to work in that area and at times its a really embarrassing place to be.

Outside the Bank of New York there was a teenager in a wetsuit doing wheelies on a bicycle. Not a guard in sight. On sunny days the place was mobbed by young people who were rude and obnoxious to all around them. Meanwhile, people are trying to get to and from work.

If there is no law and order in broad daylight, what deterrent is there for anti-social behaviour at night?

I find it interesting the gardai know there were 4 occupants in the car. They obviously already have some footage of them. Hopefully they can lift some fingerprints, I'd bet a few of the occupants are already in the system.

MonsterCookie

Very sad hearing his fiancé appealing to the driver to come forward.

Dreadful.

RIP

Urquell

Fritzbox wrote: »

I don't know if you can really blame the Gardai so much - they are only doing what is expected of them.

Id be of the opinion that the police are utterly hamstrung by the Justice system of the land. We have specimens walking around with over a 100 convictions...and people blame the cops for that fact. How demoralising that must be for any Garda that gives a damn.

There are severe issues with our system. Consider the lack of prison spaces and a Judiciary that treats scumbags like Senior infants. Lets address those first and see what difference that makes to the landscape.

Do we have any confidence that when apprehended ( Gardai doing their jobs ) these scrotes will face meaningful punishment? I dont.

Pixel Eater

Seth Brundle wrote: »

because deep down we know that it will cost us and we'd rather get a tax reduction of €5 per month in any budget. Who needs services when you have a fiver :rolleyes:

Cynical. Maybe this could finally be the event to finally push against these scumbags. Everyone here should contact their local representatives and make it a major political issue.

Niallof9

xckjoo wrote: »

Not sure why this has turned into a thread venting about scumbags in Dublin. There's been plenty of hit-and-runs by people with more desirable eircodes over the years. I could be wrong but I doubt they purposefully ran him over.

Complain about the lack of enforcement of driving standards and lack of decent infrastructure for walking and cycling.

Give it a rest. If you lived around here you'd know violence and lawlessness was a regular occurrence. These lads are scum. And what most want is just a proper police presence around.

spakman

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The parents of these kids should have their social housing taken from them and given to more deserving people. It should be a privilege to live in the city centre given the vast majority of us could never afford to. Put them out in sticks somewhere.

Dublin bred these scumbags, Dublin can deal with them.
Don't be exporting your problems to the rest of the country.
Out of sight, out of mind, eh? :rolleyes:

Thelonious Monk

spakman wrote: »

Dublin bred these scumbags, Dublin can deal with them.
Don't be exporting your problems to the rest of the country.
Out of sight, out of mind, eh? :rolleyes:

Well the back arse of the M50 or something, it's not fair that they get to rule the city centre. And it's been like that for decades.

ChikiChiki

spakman wrote: »

Dublin bred these scumbags, Dublin can deal with them.
Don't be exporting your problems to the rest of the country.
Out of sight, out of mind, eh? :rolleyes:

Yeah **** them. I live in Drumcondra but walk these areas the whole time on the way to the city. Loads of scumbags about.

They are living in an area of real prime estate living a welfare lifestyle. Let the people who contribute to the economy live there and ship these toerags to spike island or even Dunsink lane.

Gouger scrotes.

spakman

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Yeah **** them. I live in Drumcondra but walk these areas the whole time on the way to the city. Loads of scumbags about.

They are living in an area of real prime estate living a welfare lifestyle. Let the people who contribute to the economy live there and ship these toerags to spike island or even Dunsink lane.

Gouger scrotes.

No sympathy for the scumbags, just don't think other communities should have to put up with them! Dunsink Lane sounds the type of place for them alright.

PhilOssophy

Pixel Eater wrote: »

I'm always perplexed why anti-social behaviour is never an election issue, either local or national.

Because if a TD says something about it, it will be jumped on by the everybody (including other politicians who want their vote) who has an agenda to push. Saying these people are misunderstood, there need to be better support services, blah blah.
You can't tell the truth as a politician, it is just too politically incorrect.

ChikiChiki

This should be a turning point on Law and Order in the North Inner City.

Thelonious Monk

ChikiChiki wrote: »

This should be a turning point on Law and Order in the North Inner City.

It wont be. The place is absolutely riddled with scumbags. What's worse is that all the new build apartments in the docklands on both sides of the river are housing some of these people now as Sheriff st etc become full. So there's just going to be more of them and it'll get worse.

lainey_d_123

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Exactly, there's a huge middle class in Brazil, they are the ones coming here, not Favella kids trying to escape gun crime.

It's actually so embarrassing how many Irish people truly believe all foreigners with darker skin than them must be poor immigrants.

I remember going around Dublin a few years back with a friend of mine who is British but has Indian heritage, and it was eye opening and shocking the way he was treated. People talking down to him, patronising him, asking him in a slow and loud voice if he spoke English. The guy comes from serious family money, has hospital consultants for parents, went to one of the best private schools in England, studied medicine himself and there he was being talked down to by people working on market stalls and bus drivers.

The worst was when we went into a cafe to get takeaway coffees and we had to sit down for a second on the stools while we waited for them to be made, and the middle aged Foxrock type woman next to us said loudly to her daughter 'watch your bag there' when my friend sat down next to her. I was horrified and let rip at her that the fella was with me, and he has no interest in her poxy handbag since he's a doctor and his dad is a millionnaire, and she looked embarrassed but then said 'ah well I thought....because he's dark, you know' as if that was some kind of excuse :eek:

I was honestly totally ashamed to be Irish with the way people carried on. Makes me so sad to think how many people saw this lovely man who was in Ireland to improve his English and thought he was just some scummy worthless foreigner.

lawred2

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

In fairness most of us can't afford to live in the IFSC anyway, you're looking at 1000 euros a month for a decent room there.

It's what backs on to the IFSC where the problems stem from really..

[Deleted User]

ChikiChiki wrote: »

This should be a turning point on Law and Order in the North Inner City.

Seventeen year old Guido Nasi being left paralysed by a scummer in 1999 should have done this.

But f**k me, surprise surprise, here we are. (yet again)

Truthvader

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

When Paul Murphy is elected by the people of Jobstown whilst shouting he was elected to break the law as people surround a TD's car throwing bricks and eggs at it, you know we live in a country full of scumbags.

Protect yourself and your family as noone else will.

You're on your own in this country....

or Dessie Ellis

Thelonious Monk

lawred2 wrote: »

It's what backs on to the IFSC where the problems stem from really..

Not really any more, the locals are given luxury apartments in the IFSC these days in HAP. An ex of mine owned a flat opposite NCI and many of the people living in the blocks were salt of the earth.

Ush1

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Well the back arse of the M50 or something, it's not fair that they get to rule the city centre. And it's been like that for decades.

We have more than our fair share in Tallaght thanks.

Thelonious Monk

Ush1 wrote: »

We have more than our fair share in Tallaght thanks.

Tallaght thinking it's all high and mighty because AC Milan are coming