Greaney wrote: » Great Newshttps://www.greenparty.ie/green-party-tds-announce-re-opening-of-limerick-waterford-rail-line/
ezstreet5 wrote: » It's likely that the greenway economic benefits are indeed inflated.
westtip wrote: » This may be so, however how many times have we had to listen to some folk claiming the railway will bring a jobs bonanza. It won't. Don't get me wrong it would be lovely to have both, greenway and railway but that is not going to happen. The evidence that a long distance greenway passing through a remote village or small community benefits a community is overwhelming. So many small communities have been left on the scrap heap or rural denudation; A train passing through the likes of Kiltimagh, Swinford etc what will that actually do for the local economy? Look at the tiny amounts of people getting on and off those trains stopping in small communities posted above; how do you monetize a few people sitting on a train trundling through East Galway, Mayo and Sligo. You cannot. This whole thing about the greenway is about reinvention of a state asset to create something going on in communities, to give hope to a generation who see things differently. It is not an obsession to stop the railway from happening, we know its not coming back, it is an hope to realise something that may not transform communities but will in some respects reinvent them. That is what is so frustrating about being held up at every twist and turn on this idea.
Muckyboots wrote: » Overcrowded passenger trains from Claremorris and pilgrimage trains to Knock will need to drop down blackout blinds and speed-up going through certain area's because the scenery isn't up to scratch.
serfboard wrote: » Why is it great news? Are you going to be using that line on a regular basis?
westtip wrote: » This may be so, however how many times have we had to listen to some folk claiming the railway will bring a jobs bonanza.
Greaney wrote: » It's great news for folk who don't own cars. It's great news for traffic congestion in the cities & towns it links It's great news for the future of the continuation of the Western Rail Corridor It's great news for the disabled & elderly It's great news for Students It's great news for environmentally conscientious commuters to the city, who could ditch the car. I have not once, come across anyone, pro-rail, on this thread who's said there'll be a jobs bonanza from rail... on the other hand, the Quiet Man Greenway campaign wax lyrical about the jobs and economic lift a greenway will bring :rolleyes:
westtip wrote: » This may be so, however how many times have we had to listen to some folk claiming the railway will bring a jobs bonanza. It won't. Don't get me wrong it would be lovely to have both, greenway and railway but that is not going to happen.
westtip wrote: » The evidence that a long distance greenway passing through a remote village or small community benefits a community is overwhelming.
westtip wrote: » So many small communities have been left on the scrap heap or rural denudation; A train passing through the likes of Kiltimagh, Swinford etc what will that actually do for the local economy?
westtip wrote: » Look at the tiny amounts of people getting on and off those trains stopping in small communities posted above; how do you monetize a few people sitting on a train trundling through East Galway, Mayo and Sligo. You cannot.
westtip wrote: » This whole thing about the greenway is about reinvention of a state asset to create something going on in communities, to give hope to a generation who see things differently. It is not an obsession to stop the railway from happening, we know its not coming back, it is an hope to realise something that may not transform communities but will in some respects reinvent them. That is what is so frustrating about being held up at every twist and turn on this idea.
River Suir wrote: » The Greenway campaigners even tried to dub the section of the railway between Athenry and Tuam as the “ATM” greenway. I think “IOU” would be more appropriate...
ShaneC1600 wrote: » But in all honesty what will happen if this wonder of a greenway is competing with the Great Westen Greenway and takes the crowds to Tuam. Surely they should be planning for a 4 or 5 meter wide surface???
intellectual dosser wrote: » https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/full-steam-ahead-as-enda-kenny-to-present-rte-show-39490207.html Somewhat relevant as it could amplify the discussions about the future of old railways.Brief: Later this year the former Taoiseach and Fine Gael leader will front a television series on RTÉ 1 about old Irish railways from times past. Mr Kenny, a fluent Irish speaker, will present the series in Irish.
Greaney wrote: » It's great news for folk who don't own cars. It's great news for traffic congestion in the cities & towns it links It's great news for the future of the continuation of the Western Rail Corridor It's great news for the disabled & elderly It's great news for Students It's great news for environmentally conscientious commuters to the city, who could ditch the car.
Del.Monte wrote: » I'd say what Enda knows about railways would fit on a very small postage stamp. As for being in Irish - great - will there be subtitles for the majority of the population that won't be able to understand it?
Losty Dublin wrote: » Of course there is; they aren't as elitist as the cyclist types :pac:
[Deleted User] wrote: » Some other great news from Waterfordhttps://twitter.com/SE_Greenway/status/1300838651228815362?s=20https://twitter.com/damiengeoghegan/status/1293879744057008129?s=20
eastwest wrote: » Do they not have a 'south-east on track' to delay it for ten years or so? Surely some clever councillor could build a nice career on promising a TGV?
ShaneC1600 wrote: » Maybe they just had a better greenway campaign?
eastwest wrote: » They had an excellent greenaway campaign, but weren't up against the kind of entrenched nonsense that has blocked the western rail trail. Trains up the hill to knock airport, anyone?
ShaneC1600 wrote: » "Entrenched nonsense" proposing reinstating a former railway along an existing railway route? In fairness the more entrenched camp must be the greenway one where they could have identified other routes if the idea was as beneficial as they claim.
Muckyboots wrote: » Why would the QMG campaign feel the need to identify alternative routes? They have clearly identified the best and most feasible route possible. This is about to be proved in writing to Galway CC shortly. Galway CC can then decide whether to pursue it or not. Looking at the voting record there to date- they probaly will. It's clearly the diminishing railway campaign that has failed in convining Irish Rail & DTT that the bendy alignment to Claremorris is desirable, despite multiple reports and studies over the decades and that was long before the more locally, and now nationally, supported proposal of a greenway was even put on the table.
River Suir wrote: » There’s a bendy alignment to Claremorris from Athenry?
ShaneC1600 wrote: » They have identified nothing and no thought or purpose has gone into identifying reasons to have a greenway go through the towns and villages that the actual railway passes through. They have clearly not identified any reason other than there is a disused railway there, that in itself is not a reason to build a greenway.
Muckyboots wrote: » It's the same reason that the Great Western, Waterford and Old Rail Trail greenways were proposed and completed with great success and yes, the presence of a disused railway is a good enough reason to consider it for other uses
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