Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

Spook_ie wrote: »

Also

https://www.holtsauto.com/simoniz/news/10-ways-ruin-cars-paintwork-without-knowing/

finally, someone has posted a link which is in no way biased, on this thread.

car manufacturers have clearly yet to manufacture cars which cannot be damaged by merely being touched by children.

SeanW wrote: »

one of the people talking has a chipmunk voice.

that is a child. you know, small people who haven't been around long?

magicbastarder wrote: »

finally, someone has posted a link which is in no way biased, on this thread.

car manufacturers have clearly yet to manufacture cars which cannot be damaged by merely being touched by children.

Would you allow some one to write on your car with a piece of used fine sandpaper? That's what dragging your fingers along a dusty paint panel is doing.

Spook_ie wrote: »

Would you allow some one to write on your car with a piece of used fine sandpaper? That's what dragging your fingers along a dusty paint panel is doing.

if you choose to purchase such a delicate and expensive piece of personal property, which can be so easily damaged, i suggest keeping it at home all the time. the cost to your wallet in fuel simply driving it to where you've chosen to park it, and wear and tear on the vehicle itself, *vastly* outweighs the damage to the car from some kid running their fingers on it.

for the record, i was using 1200 grit sandpaper only an hour ago. i have a collection of sandpaper 99% of the population would consider excessive.
your comparison gave me a chuckle. thank you.

magicbastarder wrote: »

if you choose to purchase such a delicate and expensive piece of personal property, which can be so easily damaged, i suggest keeping it at home all the time. the cost to your wallet in fuel simply driving it to where you've chosen to park it, and wear and tear on the vehicle itself, *vastly* outweighs the damage to the car from some kid running their fingers on it.

for the record, i was using 1200 grit sandpaper only an hour ago. i have a collection of sandpaper 99% of the population would consider excessive.
your comparison gave me a chuckle. thank you.

Sadly your comment just shows me how pathetic and small minded the cycling community can get.

I am not the cycling community.
and i state the above as a motorist, not a cyclist. my views on car paint being assaulted by children are informed not by my cycling activities, but my motoring activities.
my most passionately held view on car paint is that it was a crying shame i sold my beige car and got a black one instead. the beige one could go for months between washes before it looked dirty. it's weeks at most for the black one.

micar

Spook_ie wrote: »

pathetic and small minded

Apt coming from you

breezy1985

07Lapierre wrote: »

This tweet hits the nail on the head! We may have very safe drivers, but our roads are safer because less people walk or cycle on our roads...

https://twitter.com/citizenw0lf/status/1298686430873563136?s=21

It's hard to tell what speed he is going and in fairness you should slow down for a child I do it on my bike when passing kids. But other than that your man in the car gives them as much room as he can and also seeing as there's 2 adults would the jogger not be better off in front of the kid

07Lapierre wrote: »

This tweet hits the nail on the head! We may have very safe drivers, but our roads are safer because less people walk or cycle on our roads...

https://twitter.com/citizenw0lf/status/1298686430873563136?s=21

I know the kind of idiots in this clip very well. I unfortunately meet them quite often when out on bike with MrsD and kids on a particular local country road that's even narrower than that one.

They're the sort of idiots that don't want to slow down for a couple of seconds in order to pass unprotected people safely and thereby force me to play chicken with them in order to protect my family.

micar

breezy1985 wrote: »

It's hard to tell what speed he is going and in fairness you should slow down for a child I do it on my bike when passing kids. But other than that your man in the car gives them as much room as he can and also seeing as there's 2 adults would the jogger not be better off in front of the kid

He could have just stopped altogether.

Spook_ie wrote: »

I take it you've never had a detailing done on your car, perhaps you'd like to ask in this forum what the likely result of them catching you writing in the dust etc. on their cars would be.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1602

Also

https://www.holtsauto.com/simoniz/news/10-ways-ruin-cars-paintwork-without-knowing/

One could reasonably argue that someone that leaves their car accumulate so much gunk that kids can write stuff in said gunk is not particularly particular about maintaining the pristine quality of their paintwork.

If it's that dirty the action of the wind digging the dirt into the paintwork every time the car is driven is probably going to deteriorate the paint condition much more than a couple of kids writing "clean me"

Pinch Flat

All too common, the "get of my way" attitude we see on rural roads. Driving over the summer I saw this quite a lot - dunmore East one sunny day, parents with kids heading to the beach and waving cars to slow down to no avail. Cars just blasted by regardless. Saw it another day while cycling in county meath - lady in a pram with a child. She had to push the pram right into the edge. Driver didn't give her and inch. Had it myself on a spin a few weeks ago on a narrow road similar to the one in the clip - SUV driver just blasts down the road as if we weren't there. Passed within inches. Pleading to slow down ignored.

And lastly up around Donegal- driving back from malin and the traffic coming against me was buzzing by what looked like a father and his young lad. They look quite distressed as they were hemmed in by fast close passing traffic. No one have them an inch.

Some drivers have really done a good job of intimidating people off the roads with their ignorant and reckless driving.

Duckjob wrote: »

One could reasonably argue that someone that leaves their car accumulate so much gunk that kids can write stuff in said gunk is not particularly particular about maintaining the pristine quality of their paintwork.

If it's that dirty the action of the wind digging the dirt into the paintwork every time the car is driven is probably going to deteriotate the paint condition much more than a couple of kids writing "clean me"

One could, however, one could also argue that one action is by the owner and is in the case of wind (as in insurance) an act of God or the other by some little ( maybe not so little in the case of the photograph ) scrotebag that their parents didn't teach to respect other people's property.

Spook_ie wrote: »

One could, however, one could also argue that one action is by the owner and is in the case of wind (as in insurance) an act of God or the other by some little ( maybe not so little in the case of the photograph ) scrotebag that their parents didn't teach to respect other people's property.

Some people just argue/disagree over the most petty issues.

SeanW wrote: »

Difficult to tell much from a 3 second video taken with a fisheye lens. And it sounds like it has been edited in some way, as one of the people talking has a chipmunk voice. Even if it does show one driver being a dickhead, that's all it shows. One driver. As to Citizen Wolf's conclusions they are utter nonsense in every respect.
We know why road fatalities have fallen dramatically despite the rise in population and car usage. Our culture no longer turns a blind eye to drink-driving. "One for the road" has been replaced with "sparking water for me, I'm the designated driver". We've built motorways and 2+2 dual carriageways that are safer than multi-purpose single carriageways, because they are designed to safely accommodate a lot of fast, through traffic separate from any local usage. Crash-worthiness standards on cars have been improved. We have the NCT system. The driver licensing system sort of works, sometimes, which it didn't work ever in the 20th century.

I don't know where Citizen Wolf walks/drives but where I am, there have never been more pedestrians and cyclists about. Personally, I walk regularly on country roads for exercise and feel perfectly safe - a bit of cop-on, proper observation and you're grand.

Of course, it's a lot better if you have footpaths, then you don't have to worry about motorists at all because you're on the footpath and you only have to deal with them when crossing or at junctions, and at that point all you need the motorist to do is obey traffic controls. Which they usually do.

Its not difficult. its quite clear to any "Reasonable" person.

[Deleted User]

Among the best drivers in the world apparently, with no need for any further regulation.

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1298891170148503552?s=19

And this puts the speed into context.

https://twitter.com/brianymoran/status/1298893271515770880?s=19

Pinch Flat

07Lapierre wrote: »

Its not difficult. its quite clear to any "Reasonable" person.

True. If you can't see what's wrong with the clip, well hey

Spook_ie wrote: »

One could, however, one could also argue that one action is by the owner and is in the case of wind (as in insurance) an act of God or the other by some little ( maybe not so little in the case of the photograph ) scrotebag that their parents didn't teach to respect other people's property.

Personally I'd reserve the "scrotebag" moniker for behaviors a tad more extreme than kids using their finger to write in the mank of a manky car/van, but hey, each to his own I guess.

TaurenDruid

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I work in that area and would walk those streets every day, and never noticed this problem. You must have a target on your back.

So I was in work yesterday and was out at lunchtime. Walking the length of Stephen's Green from Baggot Street to the shopping centre, I counted 3 cyclists on the footpath by the Green, and one on the median footpath between the Luas tracks and the road. I counted two more on the way back. So, an average of roughly 1 a minute.

Is that a problem on a sunny lunchtime during a period when the government have said "if you can, work from home", and that footpath is almost deserted? Frankly, no. It's grand. I wasn't getting out of their way, but none of them were total muppets with their head in their phone, so they avoided me completely.

But - would it be a problem at rush hour on a dark winter's evening, in the rain, when most of us aren't working from home - and therefore there would be more cyclists too? Damn straight it would be.

Oh, and I also saw a couple of muppets cycling the wrong way down the one-way parts of the green and Baggot Street, but Darwin - and 2.985 tonne murder death machines - will take care of them.

breezy1985 wrote: »

It's hard to tell what speed he is going and in fairness you should slow down for a child I do it on my bike when passing kids. But other than that your man in the car gives them as much room as he can and also seeing as there's 2 adults would the jogger not be better off in front of the kid

Kids can be unpredictable, so its always better to have kids in front so adults can keep an eye on them. IMO the driver should have stopped completely and only moved off once all adults/kids had passed.

07Lapierre wrote: »

Some people just argue/disagree over the most petty issues.

Well in my mind you either respect the rule of law and common decency and respect for others property or you don't and if that means arguing/disagreeing with people on here, then so be it.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Among the best drivers in the world apparently, with no need for any further regulation.

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1298891170148503552?s=19

And this puts the speed into context.

https://twitter.com/brianymoran/status/1298893271515770880?s=19

He's been regulated, he's been detained and charged, do you think we should start along the lines of Minority Report and charge people before they commit an offence?

07Lapierre wrote: »

IMO the driver should have stopped completely and only moved off once all adults/kids had passed.

This. Or at very least slow right down to a crawl. Give people the respect of 5 f**king seconds of your time to let people get past safely and comfortably.

Blindlingly simple concept to ensure the safety of other road users - and yet terrifyingly, it's such an alien concept to so many.

Spook_ie wrote: »

Well in my mind you either respect the rule of law and common decency and respect for others property or you don't and if that means arguing/disagreeing with people on here, then so be it.

So, absolutely no shades of grey then between kids finger-writing in the gunk on the back of a car, and say, going around smashing windows or slashing tyres ?

Your world must be scary.

Duckjob wrote: »

So, absolutely no shades of grey then between kids finger-writing in the gunk on the back of a car, and say, going around smashing windows or slashing tyres ?

Your world must be scary.

Yeah i want to live in a world where Kids are arrested, handcuffed and removed from school in a police "cruiser" for being "Bold" in class. You know, like the US of A!

[Deleted User]

Spook_ie wrote: »

He's been regulated, he's been detained and charged, do you think we should start along the lines of Minority Report and charge people before they commit an offence?

1) What percentage of speeding drivers are caught? (the 98% of drivers that break urban speed limits would be a good hint here)
2) How long do you think it will take for the arrested driver to be back behind the wheel of a car breaking speed limits again?

Duckjob wrote: »

So, absolutely no shades of grey then between kids finger-writing in the gunk on the back of a car, and say, going around smashing windows or slashing tyres ?

Your world must be scary.

Respect or disrespect of property, give me a middle "grey" shade.

Spook_ie wrote: »

Respect or disrespect of property, give me a middle "grey" shade.

How about "scrotebag" or "not scrotebag" instead, since you were the one who applied the term to kids that finger-write on a manky car ?