Hunky Monster wrote: » So a friend of a friend had terminal cancer, he died a few weeks ago, I didn’t know the man but apparently he died and tested positive for covid after the fact. That’s just one example where it wasn’t a factor. I would like to know how many of those there are amongst those stats. How many had days/weeks to live and tested positive after. How many were simply just too old to fight this (like influenza or pneumonia) I don’t think that’s a wild question to ask and I’ve no idea why it triggers you so much.
Seanergy wrote: » https://twitter.com/DrZeroCraic/status/1297628907118698497
odyssey06 wrote: » The question has already been asked and answered as best as we can using excess mortality figures there is 1200-1300 increase. Nursing homes have a pretty good idea of how many residents they lose per month... there were clear spikes. You seem to be aware of this already from earlier posts on the subject and therefore re-raising it on this thread is just obfuscation.
patnor1011 wrote: » Nursing houses spike were mainly due to the fact that we emptied hospitals and shipped people right in there. Nobody can argue that nursing house care is not on par of what they could have in hospitals.
CertifiedSimp wrote: » Can anyone tell me how months ago we were told masks actually contributed to the spread of Covid and now they prevent the spread?
SeaBreezes wrote: » sigh.Google excess deaths and explain why they are so high. and not even counted as covid19 deaths. Covid19 deaths are undercounted if anything. Also why do so many anti maskers seem to believe that every doctor in the country has been struck by a stupidity bug that they are incapable of filling out death certs with cause of death anymore? Doctors that have (somehow).for years managed to fill in death certs correctly are now incapable? Riightt..
odyssey06 wrote: » Well it started in January as the Chinese spead disinformation that the virus was spread primarily by contact. It continued here in March as we didnt have enough masks... and they were approached from the view as PPE to protect the wearer. Better late than never in late april their true worth is reducing transmission from infected patients was realised here... cue dramatic drop in cases in health and care settings.
CertifiedSimp wrote: » This is not true as Luke O'Neill was on TLLS saying how masks are useless and the virus goes in the eyes.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » Don't forget the Chinese living here we're buying supplies here and sending them back home in the early days. So our masks were useful to the Chinese but weren't for us. Of course, they were only trying to protect supplies here for the healthcare workers.
odyssey06 wrote: » Multiple other countries saw spikes in nursing home deaths. Excess mortality has spiked in country after country as covid-19 had taken people before their time.The notion that all or the majority of deaths recorded to covid19 were just about to die regardless has been refuted and those who continue to peddle it now do so on the basis of fake news in support of a political agenda.
patnor1011 wrote: » It is worrying to see so much of a hate around all this. Some people suddenly become national health advice experts just by googling and soaking every bit of news they can find supporting their view. To me it looks like we lost common sense. We act like children and somehow perceive others like some sort of challenged people who can not think or take care of themselves. I wonder how it happened that we dumbed down so much. Instead of talking, debating and arguing our points we straight switch to hate and immediately dismiss people whose opinion differ from our own quickly attaching some hateful labels like antimaskers and so on. What is next? Vigilante squads patrolling shops interrogating people why they do not wear mask? Perhaps some light beating behind a corner to remind them they are killing our old and vulnerable? People need to cop on and realize that most of vulnerable and old people or their families already know what to do to minimize their exposure and risk of catching this or any other virus. These people, me included, are sick, not retarded. I can not and will not demand everyone else to step on eggshells around me I have no problem to accept that most of the people have enough of their own problems to care about mine. It is solely my own responsibility to try to stay safe while I am also trying to live my life as best as I can. This whole issue become almost religious to some people who go around looking for deviation of what they think others should be doing. Some people do have legitimate reasons not to wear masks and when I see one "maskless antimasker" I smile on them instead of giving them dirty looks or trying to question them. These people do have their reasons not to wear them and I accept it. The same way I accept people who wear one.
odyssey06 wrote: » When did he say that? This is him in June backing masks fully.https://www.rte.ie/amp/1149435/ He also says the evidence for masks gets stronger by the day. As the data changed he changed his view. Please dont deliberately quote out of date info.
i_surge wrote: » I get your point but some types of things are damaging to the greater good and can't be tolerated. They are the intolerant ones, trying to stop others protecting themselves and others and the paradox of tolerance states that a tolerant society must be intolerant of the intolerant.
CertifiedSimp wrote: » ...What do we know about masks now that we didn't know months ago?
Graham wrote: » Masks haven't changed. We now have a better understanding how Coronavirus spreads.
CertifiedSimp wrote: » Watch the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7_P2RmrA6U He literally says masks are pointless unless you are infected and that people fidget with the mask and that it goes in through the eyes. Which massively contradicts the thinking at the time of the CMO that there's no scientific evidence that masks work. So what is the scientific evidence?What do we know about masks now that we didn't know months ago?
gozunda wrote: » Get where you are coming from ... However I dont reckon anyone has an issue with those who 'cant' wear a facemask for medical reasons etc On that a question - would you smile on someone who refused to wear a seat belt in the backseat of your car and as a result took out your elderly mother after you had to brake suddenly? By wearing a seat belt / mask you are protecting both yourself and others. Thats really not too hard to understand is it?
CertifiedSimp wrote: » Luke O'Neil was on the late late show in February confirming masks work when you are infected though. So Luke was pretty sure that masks prevented the spread of Covid in the same way they prevent the spread of Covid now.
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