GT89 wrote: » If you are expected another 30 years then you are probably not gonna die of covid. Nearly everyone who died of cv19 were in their 80s which is same as the life expectancy in Ireland so it's hardly like they all had 30 years to live. Can't read your article as it's behind a paywall btw and I don't trust the msm anyway.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » Good news about maskshttps://www.ecowatch.com/cloth-masks-2647029510.html?rebelltitem=2#rebelltitem2
patnor1011 wrote: » Nope. There are countries without restrictions and with very few people wearing masks for quite some time already. No "wildfire spread" over there. It will not be different here too. If this is "highly contagious killer" so is common cold or flu. The masks serve as a constant reminder of wrong policy being applied. It has more to do with saving faces of people who threw us under the bus instead of doing something meaningful on this one.
Sconsey wrote: » So we say once someone hits 80 they are a lost cause, good riddance to them. It doesn't suit your lifestyle to make a really small effort to support them. Occasionally wearing a mask is that big of an imposition to you. Thanks God you are in the vast minority.
Jim_Hodge wrote: » Viral load has been a known factor since March. It's the biggest argument for the use of masks.
gozunda wrote: » Is that so? "Nearly everyone"?Jaysus! I don't think you've a great grasp of statistics or logic tbh Let's look at those stats properly and refrain from making things up Ok? From the Health Protection Surveillance Centre "Number of deaths in all COVID-19 cases by sex and age group notified in Ireland up to midnight 16/08/2020" The attached table shows that 44.96% of deaths due to Covid were in the the 85+ yrs age bracket. That means that 55.04% of all deaths due to Covid occured in people under 85 years of age. It is true that risk of death rises with age - but it is also true to say that death due to Covid can occur at any age. That's the nasty thing about this pandemic - there are no guarantees of outcomes on the individual level. It remains for each of us - as they say in the movies "Hope you stay lucky punk"
Hunky Monster wrote: » Interesting stat. I would like to know how many of those who died had two or more underlying conditions and how many actually died OF COVID-19. I think those stats are absolutely essential as how to deal with this going forward.
i_surge wrote: » The died "of" covid is such a red herring that antimask fools cling to for dear life trying to pretend it is more than a marginal error in the death count. Newsflash, all the stats are rife with error due to different methodologies of collection but if you zoom out they paint a very clear picture.
Hunky Monster wrote: » That’s a pretty hostile post for a question.... And it’s not really a red herring of a question given we’ve already knocked 600 deaths off that list. I’d like to see a better breakdown of the stats. I guess someone else might answer.
i_surge wrote: » It is a red herring in the scheme of things. Tell me how is relevant?
Hunky Monster wrote: » Tell me how it’s not relevant?
i_surge wrote: » I won't be playing that game
Hunky Monster wrote: » So a friend of a friend had terminal cancer, he died a few weeks ago, I didn’t know the man but apparently he died and tested positive for covid after the fact. That’s just one example where it wasn’t a factor. I would like to know how many of those there are amongst those stats. How many had days/weeks to live and tested positive after. How many were simply just too old to fight this (like influenza or pneumonia) I don’t think that’s a wild question to ask and I’ve no idea why it triggers you so much.
i_surge wrote: » Are you using it to support an anti-mask or anti-police state argument? I'm a bit weary dealing with that stupidity and sorry if that doesn't include you. If it does, no apology
GT89 wrote: » If you are expected another 30 years then you are probably not gonna die of covid.
GT89 wrote: » Nearly everyone who died of cv19 were in their 80s which is same as the life expectancy in Ireland so it's hardly like they all had 30 years to live.
GT89 wrote: » Can't read your article as it's behind a paywall btw and I don't trust the msm anyway.
3xh wrote: » We agree on Tubridy then. People listening to him being idiots etc is one thing yet their views and opinions on not flying and vilifying those who do, needing to wear a mask nearly everywhere, quarantining yourself for 2 weeks upon return from abroad, ban all tourists, close bars, etc. all get amplified and spouted in public arenas like here, radio chat shows, letters to the editor, WhatsApp groups and so on. It then becomes the norm, the consensus. People on the fence or easily influenced regurgitate it for fear of offending with an alternative view. And the Government picks up on it and acts accordingly. I’m intrigued about your last point though regarding increased cases and increased testing. You’re hardly saying published positive case numbers are up because actual positive case numbers are up only? Doing more testing will eventually find more cases. That is a fact. Consider this; we could have 5000 true, actual cases in Ireland and find 200 of them. The next week we could have 3000 true, actual cases and find 400 of them. Yet the second example will be sold as a doomsday 100% increase in cases, time to shut down the economy again. My point is, the aforementioned biased media only ‘emphasise’ the positive case number itself and not explain further to the masses how going from say, 100 positives from 3,000 tests last week to 200 positives from 13,000 tests this week is not so bad. Yes, of course, I want zero. Ultimately. But those figures can be shown and suggested by media to mean many things. The likes of RTÉ would allude to the ‘100% increase in people testing positive for coronavirus in the past week’ to scare the daylights out of people who can’t decipher stats. Yet it’s taken a >4-fold increase in testing to double the positive cases. That is a significant fact that is often left in the shadows.
MadYaker wrote: » The % of tests coming back positive has increased also. That points to an increase in community transmission. I struggle to see what point you are making here. Are you saying community transmission hasn't increased at all and it's all down to more testing?
3xh wrote: » So the % of tests coming back positive has increased. As have the actual number of tests carried out. So I’d ask; are they in line?! This is the thing with stats and is exactly my point above in how certain groupings/sides twist and portray certain figures a certain way. If the % ‘hit’ has increased by say, 5% (in other words from 100 cases one week to 105 cases the next week) but tests carried out increased by 100% (in other words from 6,000 to 12,000), I wouldn’t be so concerned, no. Especially if the increase in cases (community transmission or otherwise) is a few weeks after sectors of the economy are opened up. I just feel people immediately latch on to any increase they hear. They can’t think critically and just swallow the big doomsday headline ‘increase’ they hear from RTÉ and such.
odyssey06 wrote: » The question has already been asked and answered as best as we can using excess mortality figures there is 1200-1300 increase. Nursing homes have a pretty good idea of how many residents they lose per month... there were clear spikes. You seem to be aware of this already from earlier posts on the subject and therefore re-raising it on this thread is just obfuscation.
Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: » The real metrics for an epidemic and deaths and ICU admissions while accounting for the lag. By this rate we should have seen people presenting in ICU by now so it begs the questions as to where this second wave is going to come from?
Zaph wrote: » "As has already been pointed out by another poster, a significant number of those who died were not in their 80s. People in their 20s and children have died from it." 79% of all deaths in Ireland to date related to Covid-19 were over the age of 75. 6 people in Ireland between the age of 15 and 34 have died with Covid-19 and only 1 of those was aged 15 to 24 . Nobody under the age of 15. So at the most, one young person aged 15 or more in Ireland has died where Covid-19 was on their death certificate. Keeping in mind that Covid-19 was recorded as cause of death event in the absence of a positive test, it's not possible to be sure right now that they actually even had the virus.
