MadYaker wrote: » Did you ever have a look at how they managed the virus in Hong Kong or Taiwan?
CalamariFritti wrote: » when we look back at this in a couple of years it will be one massive WTF.
patnor1011 wrote: » And that is what I said. If you feel vulnerable take all precautions. Masks in a shops maybe a good call yet we somehow survived without it for over 6 months without any outbreaks in shopping centres or something like that. It is absurd that we still pretend that what is going on is the right and the only way when we were proven otherwise. Response was based on wrong predictions and instead of adjusting and targeting it to where it is needed our government stick to the approach which is not helping. We keep tens of thousands peple out of their jobs and we will be paying for it down the road. Additional lockdowns, talk about going back to full lockdown, call for mandatory masks while outdoors....
GT89 wrote: » Whether it be fear of getting the virus or fear of spreading it it's all fear at end at the end of the day . The masks serve a constant reminder of this fear. Maybe if people just forget about the virus and stop thinking about it the fear would disappear. The masks serve as a constant reminder of this fear.
Galwayguy35 wrote: » I don't mind wearing it going into shops even if I'm not sure it makes any real difference in the long run, but the shops are still letting people in without them and not even asking a reason why they don't have them on.
robinph wrote: » So does that mean I'm half dead and not worthy of a space on your planet of people with pure genes?
GT89 wrote: » Half as in going to die anyway. If I was going to die anyway covid would be the least of my worries.
bush wrote: » Some people really do put a lot of faith in masks saying stuff like virus would spread like wildfire if we weren't wearing them when really they are making **** all difference.
CalamariFritti wrote: » Its the spurious connections of evidence that people are making and the absolute bonkers disproportionality of some our actions that gets people riled up. Its been a feature of our reaction to covid from day one. Someone said elsewhere around here we're burning down the barn to kill a spider. And led by a months long media fear campaign the majority of people fave fully jumped on that and lost all sense of reality with regards to risk levels. And because they feel they represent the mainstream opinion they dont think they could possible be wrong or even a little over the top and they have delegated critical thinking to the likes of George Lee. And they scrape the internet for every morsel of info out there that talks this virus up permanently reminding themselves how right they are and so we ended up in this self perpetuating cycle of fear and overreaction. Every info that talks this virus up has dozens of 'possible' and' may' and 'can' in it but will be taken as gospel. Anything that talks about sober assessment and rationale will have to be peer reviewed and certified and whatnot. And if that isn't enough then we just decide 'ah you cant believe those guys anyway' or they must have an agenda. I can understand it to some degree. Nobody wants to put grannie at risk and so the people who call for sober risk assessments and rationale appear to them callous and cold and heartless. But when we look back at this in a couple of years it will be one massive WTF.
3xh wrote: » I only learned yesterday of the close familial connection between the State’s a-CMO and an RTÉ journalist. Puts RTE’s NPHET coverage in a different light. I’m sure the journalist in question was redirected to non-Covid related news for transparency.
MadYaker wrote: » Why would they be? Listen to NPHET and ignore RTE would be my advice.
AnnieOaks wrote: » A lot of people that caught covid, might of had other conditions but they’re still people. And I doubt they wanted to die of covid.. your comments are pure nonsense. Of course it’s a worry to people who might die if they catch it.. are you actually stupid or something? Do you not realise your selfish actions might actually harm someone else? Cop on to life. Life is precious and we all deserve to live. Whether you would of “died Anyway” or died in 10 years. It’s very unfair on people who are immunocompromised that they’re essentially being sacrificed so a few ***** can drink pints again.. this pandemic really is taking away my faith in people.
GT89 wrote: » Everyone's going to die of something whether they like it or not and whether that something is covid or not.
odyssey06 wrote: » I'm totally on board with the reasoning why we should wear it, but the rollout of it has been poor from the government. If we'd had the masks in March and rolled out the policy then I think it would have taken care of itself. But after missing that window... not there needs to be proper enforcement, penalties for shops who don't check for exemptions and a proper mechanism for exemptions.
3xh wrote: » People don’t really ‘listen’ to NPHET. They listen to fear-of-flying Tubridy (unfortunately) and the six one news for their ‘info’ that comes out from NPHET. So when NPHET advise the Government of a needed quarantine, people listen to RTÉ & co say ‘mandatory 14-day quarantine’ and just accept that as being ‘the law’ etc. It never was mandatory nor is it now. And that is just one example from 6 months of clearly angled news coverage with a particular goal in mind. Regarding the very recent Covid ‘related’ death figures, when exactly did they succumb to the virus? No one asks at these press conferences? No one published when those recent deaths actually occurred. Would those here who are fully behind all ‘guidelines’ from the government find it strange if it transpires the recent death notifications in the past 7 days occurred in April/May/June? Do people not see for themselves and link, without needing the likes of RTÉ/NPHET/Whoever to show them, the recently announced increased test number figures and the increased positive cases? So what, 3xh? Well, nothing. Unless, the Government/news agenda then becomes ‘increased positive cases results in further restrictions and forced county closures’ etc etc.
is_that_so wrote: » Restrictions did the heavy lifting everywhere. Masks are of little use if it's rampant in the community. I wouldn't be so quick to shout penalties when cases are actually coming from other workplaces like factories, households and accommodation and social activity. Interactions in a retail setting are very brief by comparison.
MadYaker wrote: » Hong Kong never had a lockdown.
is_that_so wrote: » I never used the word lockdown; restrictions and yes they did.https://time.com/5838636/restaurants-coronavirus-safety-hong-kong/
MadYaker wrote: » The article says that the restaurants briefly had to reduce capacity and now they are back at full capacity. Would you agree they've handled it pretty well?
is_that_so wrote: » Sure but with restrictions.
GT89 wrote: » Life is precious and should be lived and enjoyed. Being scared sh1tless of covid is not living life. I don't understand how you can enjoy your life whilst wearing a mask and being constantly afraid of either getting or spreading a virus. Everyone's going to die of something whether they like it or not and whether that something is covid or not.
MadYaker wrote: » So what restrictions are currently in place there. The ones in that article have expired? As far as I can find out the main thing is they all wear masks all the time.
Zaph wrote: » This is possibly the most idiotic thing I've read in a long time. Of course everyone is going to die, but equally everyone wants to be around for as long as possible. So if you would normally be expected to live for another 30+ years, you'd be OK with somebody telling you today that you have at most a few weeks to live because you've just tested positive? Although obviously the vast majority of people won't die, but have a read of this to see what life is like post-Covid. Doesn't look like something that should be dismissed with something as flippant as your comment above.
is_that_so wrote: » You're not looking hard enough: two seconds it took me!https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/global-report-china-reports-biggest-covid-19-surge-in-months-as-australia-sets-new-infections-record
MadYaker wrote: » I'm sorry but anyone who listens to tubridy for any reason is an idiot so there's no point in them listening to NPHET anyway because they won't understand what's being said. Like in the last paragraph. Thinking that the only reason cases have increased is because we are doing more testing shows a lack of understanding of the situation. Loads of people take really a simplistic view of something that's actually fairly complicated.
MadYaker wrote: » That's from the 27th July, those restrictions are not still in place, apart from the mask wearing. Some festivals have been cancelled and visits to nursing homes appear to be restricted but apart from that I think its just masks. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3098483/hong-kong-expecting-26-new-covid-19-cases And lots and lots of testing.
Restrictions including a ban on dining at restaurants from 6pm and the mandating of masks in all outdoor public areas are set to remain in force for a further seven days until August 25, the government said in a statement on Monday.
