Sconsey wrote: » No you are not, you place your faith in what you are calling 'emperical evidence' that there has not been any community transmission in shops. In other words you have 'no evidence'. Menawhile you ignore the science backed evidence that masks can make a difference in helping reduce the spread of the virus. 'Emperical evidence' versus scientific research. You are all science and evidence Emperical Evidence.
CalamariFritti wrote: » So you're saying I have faith and nothing else and you reply with a 'can'. I never said anything about no community transmission. Although I could have. Because from the start of our outbreak we went through to single digit numbers in July with no masks. Hardly a strong indicator for community transmission. But the main point are the non existing staff infections. The people who spend 8 hours a day five days a week in the supermarket with thousands pf people coming through. Breathing in all their deadly aerosols. Loo I understand you don't think much of what I'm saying but how can you ignore this? And them come up yourself with a 'can'?
Corca Baiscinn wrote: » Have a query and can't read 571 pages to see if it has been answered already! Does anybody have a good suggestion re a way of carrying a mask out and about, other than a disposable plastic bag? I hate throwing out plastic so wash and dry a ziplock bag but its tedious. Anybody recommend a more easily cleaned/washed pouch/carry-bag? Cotton probably not anti-bacterial so guess still silicone or plastic but maybe more easily wiped down?
CalamariFritti wrote: » So you're saying I have faith and nothing else and you reply with a 'can'. I never said anything about no community transmission. Although I could have. Because from the start of our outbreak we went through to single digit numbers in July with no masks. Hardly a strong indicator for community transmission. But the main point are the non existing staff infections. The people who spend 8 hours a day five days a week in the supermarket with thousands pf people coming through. Breathing in all their deadly aerosols. Only very clearly they're not. Cos they're not there those deadly aerosols. Look I understand you don't think much of what I'm saying but how can you ignore this? And them come up yourself with a 'can'? Edit: On the point of empirical evidence vs scientific research. The research trotted out targets very specific statements. A) We have found a life virus in a room full of covid patients 5 metres away. We have found that someone breathes out n number of droplets without a mask and n minus m with a mask. Grand. But whats missing are the connecting dots. People make up the dots themselves and thats what I refer to as children logic. And so we arrive at people who connect A and B and connclude that we all must wear masks. Only its nonsense. Cos the connecting dots are simply not there or definitely not to a degree that warrants to impose masks on entire populations. While the empirical evidence is real life data from stuff that actually happened or not and was observed in the real world.
odyssey06 wrote: » Church leaders unite to recommend wearing of face coverings during worship: In a joint statement, the Catholic Church, Church of Ireland, Presbyterians and Methodists said while governments on both sides of the border have not made face coverings compulsory at services, they recommend they are worn.https://www.thejournal.ie/church-leaders-face-coverings-5180549-Aug2020/
MadYaker wrote: » Bunch of old priests don't want to die from coronavirus, they're dead right.
GT89 wrote: What about neither. No lockdown and no masks in Sweden and yet people seem to be able to go about their business there as normal
McGiver wrote: » BS of a highest order. Sweden has one of the highest coronavirus deaths per capita - 0.584/1000 population. Just to demonstrate how stupid you are - China would have 700,000 deaths with this kind of death per capita. And that's before I go into the issue that Sweden doesn't report all deaths, especially care homes, unlike France, Belgium, Ireland and most other countries apart from Spain and Italy, which report all deaths. Irish isn't exactly stellar either but is much lower - 0.367/1000 population, realistically given the above reporting issue it's probably half of the real world Swedish deaths per capita.
dartboardio wrote: » I don't believe a mask protects me, or anyone else around me. I wear it here because we have to. I genuinely don't believe it protects anyone.
GT89 wrote: China are lying throught their teeth anyone who believes China only had 4.5k deaths needs their head examined. The Chinese have lied from day 1.
GT89 wrote: » Society has not collapsed in Sweden because Covid only kills the vulnerable for the healthy it is a mild dose generally and does not kill them apart from some extremely rare cases.
Tork wrote: » Really? Do you think the scientists who carried out this study are shills for mask makers? There's a good pic half way down through this. Do you think social distancing and washing your hands is horse manure too?https://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2020/07/24/thoraxjnl-2020-215748 There are other scientific studies which also have come up with much the same results. We're all still learning about this virus but one thing is becoming increasingly evident. It can be transmitted through the air, travelling via infected droplets that come out of people's mouths when they cough, speak and sneeze.
Atlantic Dawn wrote: » Will prolonged use of masks feck up your ears to a sort of rugby players cauliflower ear?
McGiver wrote: » Yes they are but that's irrelevant. They certainly didn't have 700k dead. Even if they underreported by factor of ten that's only 45k. They took pretty drastic measures by the way, by cutting off the whole city and province of Hubei. And universal mask usage amongst other things.
almostover wrote: » A trip to a local supermarket has highlighted to me that the main reason for these increased restrictions is the general apathy of the public to personal responsibility. Guy behind me sauntered into the supermarket with no mask on. Headphones on and oblivious to all around him. 3-4 more people with the mask below the nose as if the nose isn't connected in any way to their respiratory system. Another person with a face shield I wouldn't wear strimming, pretty sure the visors have been shown to be of limited effectiveness. Demoralising stuff really.
