Bass Reeves wrote: » I was point out the issues with trying to solve limerick PT issues with rail.Limerick is like NY with its five boroughs. There are five distint area's of the city. The city itself mostly the south of the river starting at Ballincurra. circled by the Childers road and coming in through Rhebogue onto St Marys Church, Thomongate , all the North circular road area and in by Sarsfield bridge. Then you have the Chairdavin Area from the Condell road, swinging up to Moylish and out around Moyross. The area referred to as Corbally would start at the Bridge after ST Mary's Church and continues out to include Shannon banks and Westbury both in Co Clare. Castletroy area would be from the Park way, around UL in Pleassy, Milford, Kilmurry, Monaleen and now taking in parts of Annacotty Doordoyle/Raheen is from the Cresent SC north and south bounded by the new road on one side and by the existing LK-Foynes road on the other side.
riddlinrussell wrote: » Well I really hope that LSMATS is more ambitious for sustainable travel than CMATS was...
riddlinrussell wrote: » Listen, the only Corbally townland anywhere near Limerick seems to be this onehttps://www.townlands.ie/limerick/clanwilliam/st-patricks/abbey-a/corbally/ Which is definitely in Limerick, I neither know, nor care, if that's the correct one, it doesn't exactly seem relevant to the Adare rail line or the Limerick transport strategy in general...
kilburn wrote: » I was not being smart anywhere I don't know if Bass is familiar with Limerick or Clare.
Cookiemunster wrote: Which is exactly the point Bass made, before you tried to be smart about it.
kilburn wrote: » No need to be rude. Corbally is and always was a Limerick suburb, Clare leveraged that for easy planning contributions.
Cookiemunster wrote: Can you guess the county? Hint, it's not Limerick. Everything on the far side of the river is in Clare and is still known as Corbally.
kilburn wrote: » You might want to look at those maps you shared again. I live in Corbally and can confirm for you it's not a townland out side Ennis near Quinn........
Bass Reeves wrote: » I have no problem with Greenway's and I think it a great use of unused rail lines. Most of the opposition is from those that want them reopened. The Concrete Plant spur was tarmacked over on the Dock road 4-5 years ago,I say it a lot of 10 years since there was a train in the plant. Ya turn that section into a cycleway. The problem with the cycleway across the bridge is it took a lane off the busiest bridge in Limerick. It should have been possible to either erect a lower spec bridge for pedestrians or cyclists.. This on a bridge that over thirty years ago when the contractor arrived on side he offered them two extra lanes on the bridge for an extra 10% on the cost. There was no hoops to be jumped through then with projects like that. LK corporation refused as they have to spend extra on a cess to and from it
Cookiemunster wrote: Corbally straddles both counties.
kilburn wrote: » Corbally is in Limerick City not Clare....
Cookiemunster wrote: » Corbally is in the Electoral Division of Clooney, in Civil Parish of Clooney, in the Barony of Bunratty Upper, in the County of Clarehttps://www.townlands.ie/clare/bunratty-upper/clooney/clooney/corbally/ Corbally straddles both counties.
riddlinrussell wrote: » I feel like the Greens get the short end of every stick, demonised by rail proponents for wanting greenways, demonised by bus corridor proponents for wanting rail, demonised by car owners for wanting public transit. I'm sure if you asked Mr Leddin what he sees as the key solutions to get Limerick moving in a sustainable way, he'd probably say massive expansion of cycling provision improvement of pedestrian permeability more bus lanes, buses and maybe QBCs trains In that order, the article just suggests he wants feasibility done for the rail aspect. Which would very likely result in the above stated issues becoming clear. I'm not saying its where Limerick transportation should be focused right now, but it begs the question, where is Limerick Transportation focused? I know they seem to want to get rid of the only Cycleway across the Shannon in the city, so where do the priorities lie? If the Foynes line is entirely unworkable for Freight or Commuter use, I would then suggest it, and the Concrete Plant Spur, be 'greenwayed' ASAP to provide a safe pedal powered option for getting in to the city centre
Cookiemunster wrote: » That's what the LSMATS plan is deciding. Really he should wait for the publication of the this plan before deciding what he want to be done. And Eamonn Ryan should be telling him the same.
riddlinrussell wrote: » I feel like the Greens get the short end of every stick, demonised by rail proponents for wanting greenways, demonised by bus corridor proponents for wanting rail, demonised by car owners for wanting public transit. I'm sure if you asked Mr Leddin what he sees as the key solutions to get Limerick moving in a sustainable way, he'd probably say massive expansion of cycling provision improvement of pedestrian permeability more bus lanes, buses and maybe QBCs trains In that order, the article just suggests he wants feasibility done for the rail aspect. Which would very likely result in the above stated issues becoming clear. I'm not saying its where Limerick transportation should be focused right now, but it begs the question, where is Limerick Transportation focused? I know they seem to want to get rid of the only Cycleway across the Shannon in the city, so where do the priorities lie?
Bass Reeves wrote: If you wanted to build a city you would not copy Limerick. Traditionally it had three local authorities the city council had a small area about 2Km in a circle around the city. LK Co Co developed areas outside the city bounds such as Raheen/Doiradoyle and Castletroy. These are large sprawling area's. Add to that Clare Co Co developing Corbably all these area are 2-5km from the city center. The thing that has revolutionised Limerick was the ring road and the Tunnel. It allowed people to access work without having to go through the city center. I am sorry for sounding dismissive over the last few posts but the idea of throwing hundred of millions at rail in Limerick that cannot make better the public transportation system is galling. The idea that in this time if crisis a rail line to Adare deveserves Cabinet time is ridiculous.
Last Stop wrote: » I’m sorry, I can’t agree with this, Qatar is building practically everything for the FIFA World Cup. South Africa did the same for their work cup. Athens the same for the Olympics. While these are on a different scale to the Ryder cup, so is reopening 15km of rail line rather than building entire metro systems
Bass Reeves wrote: » The answer is no. Even the theory that a Foynes line will reopen for freight is blinkered. At present rail moves very little freight due to just in time logistics. Ireland is a small country with a low population density spread sparsely , there is no point in carrying goods a distance on rail to unload and reload onto trucks to move it 50 or 60% of the original distance. If you wanted to build a city you would not copy Limerick. Traditionally it had three local authorities the city council had a small area about 2Km in a circle around the city. LK Co Co developed areas outside the city bounds such as Raheen/Doiradoyle and Castletroy. These are large sprawling area's. Add to that Clare Co Co developing Corbably all these area are 2-5km from the city center. The thing that has revolutionised Limerick was the ring road and the Tunnel. It allowed people to access work without having to go through the city center. I am sorry for sounding dismissive over the last few posts but the idea of throwing hundred of millions at rail in Limerick that cannot make better the public transportation system is galling. The idea that in this time if crisis a rail line to Adare deveserves Cabinet time is ridiculous. What worse is an attitude of why would you refuse it. 4-500 million would solve a lot of transportation problems in Limerick using buses. It might even give people a choice of not needing a second car. But because it not a rail solution it not Green
riddlinrussell wrote: » Thanks for this, a reasonable refutation of the merits of the scheme without resorting to raising the spectre of sparsely utilised rural lines, I would say Limerick would probably benefit most from new bus lines. Is there anywhere along the rail lines then that Limerick should look at for any future expansion (Either commercial or residential)? Planning going forward could then focus on building PT nuclei for future rail stations.
Cookiemunster wrote: » It's a nice idea, but who may I ask would frequent a line looping around the outskirts of Limerick from Moyross to Colbert Station? A stop at the Parkway for example would leave you 3.5kms from the National Technology Park, so pretty much useless for anyone working there. It being handy for a matchday is not exactly a good business plan (and Google maps make those walking times 18 mins and 30 mins). Yes there are existing heavy rail lines around Limerick, but they don't go where people actually want to go. The largest suburb of Limerick is Castletroy, where UL as well as the NTP are also located, but there are no rail lines anywhere near it. I'll again go back to my point that the best way to provide good PT for Limerick is better bus services, which can actually go to where people will use it. So improved bus infrastructure and routes and park and ride facilites on the outskirts. Oh and there is already an excellent bus service between Shannon and Limerick serving Smithstown,the industrial estate and the airport 25 times a day on the 343 route with the 51 and x51 going directly between the airport and Limerick another 14 times a day. There isn't a requirement for a rail spur.
kilburn wrote: » People coming from the Galway or Clare side then wouldn't have to go into the city and walk back out.
kilburn wrote: » Goes straight through Moyross, back of Thomondgate, middle of Corbally, Dublin road at the parkway, Ballysimon road then station. 5 minute walk to Thomond Park and Gaelic Grounds for matches. If it was reasonably priced I would use no problem. In a perfect world you would have a spur from Sixmilebridge through Shannon with stops at Smithstown, Free Zone and Airport.
[Deleted User] wrote: » I think you only need look at the farce that is the WRC from Ennis to Athenry to see how this would perform
Bass Reeves wrote: Interesting that it also interesting that Thomond pK is only a 10minute walk from the CC. 5minute walk to Corbett station, 10 minute train journey if you can get one and five.minute walk from this future station to Thomand PK. You be there before any train service on foot on a match day and you definitely wouldn't be using it after a match.
LuasSimon wrote: » With the exception of the possible Luas line in Cork the government are only interested in Dublin , providing rail lines in Adare will only encourage people to live in rural Ireland which is not wanted by the powers that be.
