AngryLips wrote: » Isn't that the old North Wall train station? Surely they could use that instead of building a new one :pac:
ncounties wrote: » Yes, that’s what has been proposed, with another exit in the park space next the Luas stop.
roadmaster wrote: » Restored correctly that could look really well as a rail station with the modern office blocks all around it
L1011 wrote: » The presser about the Kildare line design project specifically mentions 1.5kV DC - it had been suggested here that 25kV AC was going to be used with new units being dual mode.
Shedite27 wrote: » That's what they're building currently isn't it?
CatInABox wrote: » No, it's the one next door to this, the red brick that you can see cut off on the left of this image. The one being redeveloped right now is the British Rail Hotel See Archiseek here. Here's the hotel as well, here.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » Going back to this, is it possible that we will see 1.5kV DC continue to be used for DART but that 25kV AC could be used for other services in future? In the case of the Kildare line, as it will have DART operating separately from commuter/intercity services, the two DART tracks could be 1.5kV DC to tie in with the existing DART network but the other two tracks 25kV AC (whenever they get round to electrifying them). Do different power supplies operate side by side elsewhere?
SeanW wrote: » So the real question is what is planned for railway services in Ireland? If there's no plan to electrify intercity services, then the DART should simply be expanded with 1500V DC. On the other hand, if there are plans to electrify long distance service, there could be a case for making some or all of the network 25kV AC at 50hz.
AngryLips wrote: » It's a shame they're not looking at Dart+ to Kilcock because that's very much a suburb of Dublin these days. It'll become the Greystones of this decade
ncounties wrote: » It would be great if they could restore the old ticket entry hall to it's former glory with three access doors and a canopy. The exit being on the NE side, would have the perfect angle for those continuing on along the new pedestrian bridge to GCD.
1huge1 wrote: » I'm aware that is also single track but to add an extra line to that is a much bigger project due to the cliff face
AngryLips wrote: » I was down that way yesterday and to be honest, there's no way to fit a platform between the old station building and the luas tracks., like how would they deal with the luas tracks intersecting with the train line? More probable is that they'd terminate the line just before the luas tracks - though it looks like there something being built there. Almost as big a project as four-tracking the line into Heuston that's within scope of the current project.
roadmaster wrote: » Maybe i have misunderstood big time but would the platform not be underground especially if DU happens
AngryLips wrote: » I was down that way yesterday and to be honest, there's no way to fit a platform between the old station building and the luas tracks., like how would they deal with the luas tracks intersecting with the train line? More probable is that they'd terminate the line just before the luas tracks - though it looks like there something being built there.
LXFlyer wrote: » The idea from the NTA is for the current Docklands station to be moved 500m to the east and south to be adjacent to Spencer Dock LUAS stop. It was suggested that it would extend through the archways of the bridge under Sheriff Street Upper, using the land currently used for access to the NTA coach parking facilities, and the station be on Mayor Street Upper. It would still be an overground station. Such a location would make a connection to the line via Drumcondra far easier as well as the existing connection along the Royal Canal. Again, though, I'd point out that we have no detailed plans for any of this as yet. As part of DART Underground it was planned to use the old station building on the Quays as an entrance to a separate underground station from this one. But as we know DART Underground is on hold.
ncounties wrote: » Spencer Dock is not going to be an above ground station. It will be an underground one. Therefore that constraint doesn't matter. Here is the planned exit next the Luas as part of the original plans, I am saying the other exit should incorporate the old station building. It would make no sense at all to build an above ground station at Spencer Dock now. It would only serve to inhibit implementation of U-DART at a later date.
LXFlyer wrote: » Sorry, but I do think that you are wrong on this and conflating two different plans. This station is as I understand it, to be overground. It is a terminal station for trains coming from the Drumcondra and from the line along the Royal Canal. Nothing more than that. It has nothing to do with DART Underground which is completely different and would be see trains going underground as they come from the Northern Line at East Wall Junction. Here is the original story on this plan from 2018:https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irelands-newest-train-station-could-move-because-of-major-shortfall-in-passengers-36916197.html
ncounties wrote: » It would make no sense at all to build an above ground station at Spencer Dock now. It would only serve to inhibit implementation of U-DART at a later date.
ncounties wrote: » I wasn't saying you were wrong - I was saying it doesn't make sense. It will surely be used as a reason not to built Dart Underground, or Dart Undergrounds station will need to be built elsewhere, so we'll end up with two new stations in the area instead of one.
Pete_Cavan wrote: » The station would obviously be below ground level, it has to be just to go under Sherrif Street. The ground level on either side of Sherrif Street is already well below the street itself so it doesn't require a huge amount of excavation. The station would likely be well below ground level but have no "ground" above it (possibly a roof), not sure if that counts as "underground". You'd have to assume that one of the considerations when determining the horizontal and vertical alignments of the station will be allowing for getting deeper to pass under the Liffey whenever we get round to DU.
LXFlyer wrote: » I read your previous post as saying categorically that it would not be above ground. If I am misreading your reference to Spencer Dock, then apologies. I think that to be clear, we should refer to this as a relocated Docklands Station, rather than the Spencer Dock Station proposed as part of DART Underground, as they are two separate plans. There has been absolutely no suggestion anywhere through the media or "informed sources" that I can find that this relocated Docklands station would be underground. I have no reason to believe that it will be, as an underground station would involve spending a lot more money than what is included in this project. And yes, you could certainly end up with an overground terminal station near any through DART Underground station.
ncounties wrote: » As part of U-DART, the station was to be underground roughly where the Europcar Rental place is, with the historic building on the riverfront forming the station. A pedestrian bridge would then link it with GCD. The latter has now been moved to the bottom of New Wapping Street as the piling would interfere with the tunnelling project.
ncounties wrote: » I have never personally been on about the relocated station, someone else must have brought that up. Still think it's pointless. My post below from two days ago, at the start of this extended conversation:
LXFlyer wrote: » Sheriff Street is on a bridge to be fair - the ground level is that where the railways have always been. That's the level at which I'd expect the station to be, with as you say, below the bridge, with minimal excavation works. Remember that the railway previously was under the bridge at this location. A DART Underground station would be significantly below this level already in a tunnel.
LXFlyer wrote: » Well then you got the wrong end of the stick. Angrylips, myself and others were discussing the relocated Docklands Station which I suspect you inadvertently didn't realise. That is what the discussion has been about since post #6441 which was before your post. Can we try and differentiate between the two as people will only get confused. There are two distinct stations proposed.
Sam Russell wrote: » If DU is built as planned, Bray Dart trains would go Pearse, Connolly, Maynooth. Howth/ Malahide Dart trains will go Clontarf, Spencer Dock, SSG, Heuston, Hazlehatch. Where would trains for Docklands come from? Why would they not go to Spencer Dock? Of course, if DU is never to be built, then that is different.
