The_Brood wrote: » The Russians have saved us. Yet important that the vaccine is safe of course, but this is not the first time the Russians have developed important vaccines. The sickening thing will be if the EU, the US play political ****games and refuse jump head on into this vaccine. They will of course mask this under "we need to be sure" but it won't be that, it will be political reluctance to allow Russia to take massive credit after years of ****ting on them. Watch this space.
XsApollo wrote: » Exactly nobody has any idea what the Russians approved bar the Russians. And they really don’t need to tell anybody either. I doubt any country in the world is gonna dish out a mass vaccination program without any sort of trials or information to say it is safe. The Chinese haven’t done that yet and I would put them before Russia in attempting something like that. They must of seen something to say it’s possible. We will all know in a few months if it is what they say it is and they can publish all the data they have gathered which would be far more than any other COVID vaccine I would say and then let the rest of the world decide if it’s good enough.
jv2000 wrote: » Completely agree. We have no idea what the Russians actually approved and I would have doubts it would meet the requirements for conditional or accelerated mechanisms over the Moderna or Oxford/AZ vaccines (outside of Russia).
Thierry12 wrote: » Any evidence to back up these racist allegations?
Atlantic Dawn wrote: » If the Russian vaccine works perfectly and they decide to share the formula for free with the world there will be a lot of unhappy pharmaceutical companies.
Hmmzis wrote: » https://meduza.io/feature/2020/07/23/sozdatel-rossiyskoy-vaktsiny-ot-koronavirusa-denis-logunov-dal-meduze-pervoe-bolshoe-intervyu-on-rasskazal-stoit-li-zhdat-privivok-k-sentyabryu-2020-goda Use Google Translate, it's rather good. It's the best source of information I've managed to find so far about the Russian vaccine efforts. It's an interview with their lead scientist.
hmmm wrote: » We have vaccines already. There's nothing stopping the "West" releasing a vaccine now if we wanted to experiment on our own people. Instead they are undergoing trials, and regulators will only sign them off when they think they are safe to do so. That doesn't mean the Russian vaccine won't work. But you don't skip trials.
JDD wrote: » Could this Russian vaccine be, in fact, the Oxford vaccine? I mean, there's no point in asking would Putin really do that, because of course he would, but would you really get away with it?
Thierry12 wrote: » They are not skipping trials It's in phase 3
is_that_so wrote: » It's the crude evocation of Sputnik that shows what Putin is up to. They have not followed the proper protocols at all. For all we know it could be coloured water. Now it may work and will be good but I can't see the line being very long in most parts of the world for it.
Thierry12 wrote: » Honestly Coloured water The russians invented chemistry ffs
hmmm wrote: » Well then the news reports were wrong. If it's a phase 3 trial, it won't be available to the general public before 2021.
Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) is a strain of coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19) and has been declared a global pandemic by the World Health Organization. Total cases of SARS-CoV-2 worldwide exceed 10.2 million, with over 503,000 deaths recorded. Little is known about the body's immune response to SARS-CoV-2 infection. In this paper, we describe SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibody responses in 28,523 patients from the New York City metropolitan area and report a SARS-CoV-2 IgG positivity rate of 44%, indicating the widespread nature of the pandemic in the city and state of New York. Additionally, for a subset of patients, we report on the correlation between SARS-CoV-2 patient symptom severity and level of SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibody found in the patient sample.
ACitizenErased wrote: » New study into sereprevelance in New York City has come back at 40%.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0732889320305058?via%3Dihub
is_that_so wrote: » They were at 25% in an earlier CDC report.
ACitizenErased wrote: » New study into sereprevelance in New York City has come back at 40%.
hmmm wrote: » Interesting. What I find a bit odd is that it hasn't gained much attention. I wonder if it is anything to do with the sampling method - doesn't look all that random to me (there have been concerns about previous studies where patients who were perhaps most interested to find out if they had Covid were more likely to come forward for testing). "it is one of the first to provide a snapshot of SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibody responses in a region of the country that was hardest hit by the virus, New York City, through an analysis of over 28,000 patients presenting to primary care providers for SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibody testing." There was an arguably more random sample taken in a seperate study (top class scientists but not peer reviewed) which tested blood donations. That showed about 19.3% in New York in late Aprilhttps://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.28.20142190v1 Considering how well NY did in controlling their virus spread, I'm a bit dubious - will be interesting to see if any good scientists discuss it and are comfortable with the findings.
DaSilva wrote: » Whether you think Putin is a good guy or a bad guy I don't care and won't argue, but I think it would be incredibly foolish to think he is stupid. So why would he offer his people an unproven vaccine, why not wait for phase 3 trials?*tin foil hat on* Because they already know the efficacy of their vaccine, they already performed the "unethical" challenge experiments. It's the only answer I can think of that makes sense that isn't just a total bluff, and I don't see him just bluffing a vaccine...
