River Suir wrote: » I have no doubt that if the Department of Finance and the NTA gave railways the same priority as roads then money would be found immediately to build straighter alignments than the existing ones.
metrovick001 wrote: » "Old 18th century alignments are not the answer" the funny thing is thats exactly what the new motorways have done
dowlingm wrote: » Returning to the Adare railway line idea. I can’t see people in Adare being thrilled about their village becoming a railhead for commuters in Limerick and cheap/quick housing being thrown up all around it. Nothing I have heard about Limerick local government makes me thing anything else would happen. To my mind, a Limerick-Adare shuttle for the Ryder Cup is difficult because it would imply a large park and ride somewhere and I can’t identify a plot of land which is large enough (even with temporary decking over parkland) AND good enough road access to move lots of cars in and out from various directions. Maybe the P&R would have to be somewhere on the Ennis, Limerick Junction or Nenagh lines Trying to ram heavy rail through Carey’s Park and into the station proper should be to my mind the subject of a longer term project with much better justification than the Ryder fecking Cup
road_high wrote: » This gets really tiresome. NRA traffic stats all suggest otherwise. They're easy to look up and compare with all the other motorways. If the M9 is empty then so are all the others.
IE 222 wrote: » A motorway is not required for the level of traffic on the N20. It's over kill. M9 as a comparison is to show it also was not needed to built as a motorway for its entirety, maybe as far a Carlow.
Cookiemunster wrote: » The bypass won't be pulled. The Greens have already caved in on that one in the PFG. The bigger parties want these roads built. All they've gotten is the 2:1 commitment of spending for PT over roads with another commitment to revisit the infrastructure plans. And the improved connection to Foynes is a European Ten-T route so it will be built. I'll just leave this post from the M20 thread of the roads fourm here. That plus the fact that the engineering team (the actual experts) have already looked at all the possible routes (6 of the 7 options involved some connection to the M8) and have already decided to follow the current M20 for the reasons stated in the above quoted post. And I've no idea why the M9 from Waterford to Dublin is in any way relevant. The current N20 has a higher AADT that the M9. And that's on a dangerous narrow windy road with no hard shoulder for over hard the route.
Cookiemunster wrote: » Old 18th century alignments are not the answer.
Cookiemunster wrote: » The WRC shows this where the bus is much faster using the motorway.
Cookiemunster wrote: » If commuter rail is going to be built, then it should be done properly, not half arsed on slow winding tracks.
Cookiemunster wrote: » And a direct rail connection from Cork to Limerick is part of the M20 design remit. Although a reconfiguration of Limerick Junction is probably the simplest and cheapest way to achieve this.
IE 222 wrote: » Greens are in there now so wouldn't be surprised if the bypass was to be pulled. It's not really needed to be fair. 18th century, you make it out as though the line has been closed since the 1900's. M20 will be the biggest waste of tax payers money. I travel the N20 regularly at rush hour and apart from a few more 2 plus 1 lanes between Croom and Newtwopothouse it doesn't need much upgrading. The M9 is empty for the best part and that leads to Dublin.
IE 222 wrote: » Greens are in there now so wouldn't be surprised if the bypass was to be pulled. It's not really needed to be fair. 18th century, you make it out as though the line has been closed since the 1900's.
IE 222 wrote: » M20 will be the biggest waste of tax payers money. I travel the N20 regularly at rush hour and apart from a few more 2 plus 1 lanes between Croom and Newtwopothouse it doesn't need much upgrading. The M9 is empty for the best part and that leads to Dublin.
IE 222 wrote: » The Junction doesn't need to be reconfigured. Upgrading the N24 to Cahir would probably be a simpler and cheaper alternative to the M20 idea, don't suppose you're in favour of saving funds that way.
Cookiemunster wrote: » For the umpteenth time, it doesn't save money. It doesn't help the majority of people using the road, commuters into Cork and Limerick. It doesn't bypass the overchoked towns on the route. It doesn't replace the highly dangerous 19th century alignment along most of the route. It doesn't address the fact that Mallow to Blarney needs a dual carriage/motorway now. Any route other than following the N20 still leaves all these things needing to be done.
Cookiemunster wrote: » No, it's not in replacement of the Adare bypass. The Adare bypass is an actual plan which is currently at ABP. This despite the headline is nowhere near being discussed by Cabinet and is using back of a matchbox sums to come up with a €200m figure. Reopening old 18th century alignments is not the answer to Limerick transports needs. A proper bus service and better cycling facilities (as the TD suggests) are much higher on the list of priorities for Limerick. And no reopening the line to Charleville would not negate the M20 either.
end of the road wrote: » reopening old 18th century alignments where appropriate is absolutely part of the answer to limerick's transport issues and needs. if other brand new corridors open up and are viable for rail then they should also be served. a proper bus service is welcome but having it as thee only solution doesn't work, it cannot and does negate rail and will not get limerick out of the fact it needs a suburban rail service going forward. reopening the line to Charleville isn't supposed to negate the motor way, it is there to be another transport option for the corridor and to remove non-necessary road users so that we require a lot lot longer between requirements to expand the motor way at great cost.
Del.Monte wrote: » Why do two large 'towns' need a full motorway between them purely because the existing road is dangerous - just asking?
IE 222 wrote: » Presumably it's in replacement of the Adare bypass. They'll need to provide some sort of transport upgrade to the area. €200 million is still a €100 million saving compared to building the Adare bypass while also expanding local rail services across the whole of Limerick city with stations been added at Moyross and Ballysimon been included. Ideally they should reopen the line to Foynes and Newcastle West also. Are Shannon Port Co. still interested in getting thr line reopened, maybe they might add something to it. Could also make reopening Charleville - Patrickswell more feasible at a later date and save us building an unnecessary motorway. Not sure they necessarily need to add a greenway along side the line, wonder what cost that is adding.
end of the road wrote: » it's a good suggestion but i suspect nothing will come of it. even if it did, i doubt they would have it open in 2027 unfortunately.
