loyatemu wrote: » the engineering required for an extra track on the causeway is probably significantly heavier and more complex than for the greenway. There's probably somewhere cheaper they could build a loop.
Pixel Eater wrote: » Maybe. But few sections would have such a long straight stretch track without worrying about houses or roads. Plus they'd need CPO land could prove costly. Anyway, just an idea.
Losty Dublin wrote: » No point in laying extra track across Malahide Estuary unless additional track is laid into the city centre. Irish Rail have pleaded and begged for well over 40 years but to no avail.
Pixel Eater wrote: » Well that ship has sailed in regards to extra tracks into the city, that's just not posible now. A long passing loop after Malahide would be better than nothing. Since rail transport is so lowly regarded in this country I doubt Irish Rail have much clout with local athourities or the Government in general about saving infastructure or shaping local plans unfortunately.
end of the road wrote: » it's a good suggestion but i suspect nothing will come of it. even if it did, i doubt they would have it open in 2027 unfortunately.
IE 222 wrote: » Presumably it's in replacement of the Adare bypass. They'll need to provide some sort of transport upgrade to the area. €200 million is still a €100 million saving compared to building the Adare bypass while also expanding local rail services across the whole of Limerick city with stations been added at Moyross and Ballysimon been included. Ideally they should reopen the line to Foynes and Newcastle West also. Are Shannon Port Co. still interested in getting thr line reopened, maybe they might add something to it. Could also make reopening Charleville - Patrickswell more feasible at a later date and save us building an unnecessary motorway. Not sure they necessarily need to add a greenway along side the line, wonder what cost that is adding.
Del.Monte wrote: » Why do two large 'towns' need a full motorway between them purely because the existing road is dangerous - just asking?
Cookiemunster wrote: » No, it's not in replacement of the Adare bypass. The Adare bypass is an actual plan which is currently at ABP. This despite the headline is nowhere near being discussed by Cabinet and is using back of a matchbox sums to come up with a €200m figure. Reopening old 18th century alignments is not the answer to Limerick transports needs. A proper bus service and better cycling facilities (as the TD suggests) are much higher on the list of priorities for Limerick. And no reopening the line to Charleville would not negate the M20 either.
end of the road wrote: » reopening old 18th century alignments where appropriate is absolutely part of the answer to limerick's transport issues and needs. if other brand new corridors open up and are viable for rail then they should also be served. a proper bus service is welcome but having it as thee only solution doesn't work, it cannot and does negate rail and will not get limerick out of the fact it needs a suburban rail service going forward. reopening the line to Charleville isn't supposed to negate the motor way, it is there to be another transport option for the corridor and to remove non-necessary road users so that we require a lot lot longer between requirements to expand the motor way at great cost.
Cookiemunster wrote: » And a direct rail connection from Cork to Limerick is part of the M20 design remit. Although a reconfiguration of Limerick Junction is probably the simplest and cheapest way to achieve this.
IE 222 wrote: » Greens are in there now so wouldn't be surprised if the bypass was to be pulled. It's not really needed to be fair. 18th century, you make it out as though the line has been closed since the 1900's.
IE 222 wrote: » M20 will be the biggest waste of tax payers money. I travel the N20 regularly at rush hour and apart from a few more 2 plus 1 lanes between Croom and Newtwopothouse it doesn't need much upgrading. The M9 is empty for the best part and that leads to Dublin.
IE 222 wrote: » The Junction doesn't need to be reconfigured. Upgrading the N24 to Cahir would probably be a simpler and cheaper alternative to the M20 idea, don't suppose you're in favour of saving funds that way.
Cookiemunster wrote: » For the umpteenth time, it doesn't save money. It doesn't help the majority of people using the road, commuters into Cork and Limerick. It doesn't bypass the overchoked towns on the route. It doesn't replace the highly dangerous 19th century alignment along most of the route. It doesn't address the fact that Mallow to Blarney needs a dual carriage/motorway now. Any route other than following the N20 still leaves all these things needing to be done.
