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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Masala

Today being Paddy Day 2020... when do you think we will have a ‘flu jab’ / pill / syrup that we can take to make us immune/ les likely to catch this 19 virus?.

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Gael23

Do we know how quickly the 100 million doses the EU has ordered will be available and how many Ireland will get?

hmmm

Santy2015 wrote: »

I’ll probably need Hmmzis or hmmm to confirm this but phase 3 with oxford can’t be far off finishing??

They were hoping for results in late September/October, but it all depends on how much infection there is in their trial areas. It's really not their timetable to control unfortunately.

Re the 50% quoted above. The US regulator (FDA) said they wanted vaccines to have a minimum 50% efficiency, but we don't know yet what the vaccines will actually have. I have seen no vaccine developer claim that their vaccine is only going to be 50% effective, and most seem to think it will be considerably higher.

Fauci was also misquoted repeatedly this weekend by anti-vaxxers jumping on his comment that the vaccine is unlikely to be 100% effective. Few vaccines are - but when they are effective enough, and enough people take them, we get to herd immunity.

We've always had a problem with anti-vaxxers taking quotes out of context, and using them to justify whatever it is they believe in.

Santy2015

hmmm wrote: »

They were hoping for results in late September/October, but it all depends on how much infection there is in their trial areas. It's really not their timetable to control unfortunately.

Re the 50% quoted above. The US regulator (FDA) said they wanted vaccines to have a minimum 50% efficiency, but we don't know yet what the vaccines will actually have. I have seen no vaccine developer claim that their vaccine is only going to be 50% effective, and most seem to think it will be considerably higher.

Fauci was also misquoted repeatedly this weekend by anti-vaxxers jumping on his comment that the vaccine is unlikely to be 100% effective. Few vaccines are - but when they are effective enough, and enough people take them, we get to herd immunity.

We've always had a problem with anti-vaxxers taking quotes out of context, and using them to justify whatever it is they believe in.

Are we looking at phase 2 results by month end?
Anti vaccine crowd don’t have enough tin foil.

Martina1991

Shelflife wrote: »

Do they stop/slow down testing over the weekend ? Is testing done around the clock or is it just 9-5 ?

I cant understand how getting the results back from the tests isnt a high priority.

Laboratory testing is done 24/7.
But there are many links in the chain. You don't know for sure where the delay is.

There have been a couple of reports in this thread of tests taking a bit longer than expected lately.
My guess is that these huge clusters in LOK have caused a backlog and are being prioritised over other community cases at the moment.

Even when the lab test is complete, there could be delays in the communication of results.

Ring the NVRL tomorrow for a follow up. They have a result support line.

Deeper Blue

Fauci's exact quote was "We don't know yet what the efficacy might be. We don't know if it will be 50 percent or 60 percent. I'd like it to be 75 percent or more"

Surprise surprise people have taken from this that the vaccine will only be 50% effective, they need to read beyond the headline.

Northern lassie

Hi There

Would anyone know where I could get access to a covid-19 test. Am willing to pay to get it done privately. Its for someone coming from Germany. I'm thinking if he could get a test done, it would remove the need to quarantine for the 14 days ... would quarantine until he gets a (hopefully) negative result.

Thanks

Beanybabog

Tropical medical bureau does them.

JDD

I haven't heard of any private clinics offering it - only the antibody testing. Presumably all testing laboratories have been corralled into the public testing, and don't have any extra capacity to offer private testing? Could he get a private test in Germany and then fly over? Obviously that wouldn't negate the possibility he might catch it on the airplane though, so he might have to isolate anyway.

thomasm

The private hospital in Waterford does them so I imagine the others countrywide do also.

Tenzor07

I would imagine that some private hospitals or medical centers would, don't call the HSE, they won't know.

Costs from €150 to €250 I believe....

arctictree

Does a negative result remove the need for quarantine? It would make sense but I dont see it in the legislation?

Tig98

Negative result does not negate the need for quarantine. No one cares if he tests negative when he comes home because he could have caught it in Germany, either airport, on the plane or on the bus in Dublin.

Hence why you isolate for two weeks. You may not by symptomatic at the time of arrival but you may develop symptoms by the end of the two week period.

No need for a test, just wait out the two weeks.

Del2005

Northern lassie wrote: »

Hi There

Would anyone know where I could get access to a covid-19 test. Am willing to pay to get it done privately. Its for someone coming from Germany. I'm thinking if he could get a test done, it would remove the need to quarantine for the 14 days ... would quarantine until he gets a (hopefully) negative result.

Thanks

There's no get out of the current quarantine. Even getting the test done and passing you can still have the virus and not have any symptoms or you could catch it in transit. You'd need to do the test when they land and a week later, after the person has quarantined, to be certain that they are clear. But currently that's not the procedure from our government.

Oranage2

There's no quarantine, the government says you should 'restrict movement'. So don't work or visit old people, but you can exercise outside etc

The Unbearables

Northern lassie wrote: »

Hi There

Would anyone know where I could get access to a covid-19 test. Am willing to pay to get it done privately. Its for someone coming from Germany. I'm thinking if he could get a test done, it would remove the need to quarantine for the 14 days ... would quarantine until he gets a (hopefully) negative result.

Thanks

Isolate them. The test will prove nothing.

Northern lassie

Tig98 wrote: »

Negative result does not negate the need for quarantine. No one cares if he tests negative when he comes home because he could have caught it in Germany, either airport, on the plane or on the bus in Dublin.

Hence why you isolate for two weeks. You may not by symptomatic at the time of arrival but you may develop symptoms by the end of the two week period.

No need for a test, just wait out the two weeks.

So what people are saying is that when a person is "cooking" the virus in the early days and they don't have symptoms, and a test is taken it will be negative? Is that right? If so, I didn't know that!!

Oranage2 There's no quarantine, the government says you should 'restrict movement'. So don't work or visit old people, but you can exercise outside etc

Surely a person has to quarantine?? So if someone was in my house having just come from Germany, should they not stay in their bedroom for 14 days? That's going to be pretty tough to do .... and stay away from the rest of us in the house?

Beasty

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normanoffside

Northern lassie wrote: »

Hi There

Would anyone know where I could get access to a covid-19 test. Am willing to pay to get it done privately. Its for someone coming from Germany. I'm thinking if he could get a test done, it would remove the need to quarantine for the 14 days ... would quarantine until he gets a (hopefully) negative result.

Thanks

Tropical medical Bureau do them for €160 https://www.tmb.ie/coronavirus-self-test-kits

Germany will be on the green list next week anyway

stevek93

Northern lassie wrote: »

Hi There

Would anyone know where I could get access to a covid-19 test. Am willing to pay to get it done privately. Its for someone coming from Germany. I'm thinking if he could get a test done, it would remove the need to quarantine for the 14 days ... would quarantine until he gets a (hopefully) negative result.

Thanks

The acting CMO mentioned in this evenings briefing that we shouldn’t be paying for a test and it will discourage people from actually getting tested. If the person is coming from Germany why can’t they get a free test?

copeyhagen

Northern lassie wrote: »

So what people are saying is that when a person is "cooking" the virus in the early days and they don't have symptoms, and a test is taken it will be negative? Is that right? If so, I didn't know that!!

Oranage2 There's no quarantine, the government says you should 'restrict movement'. So don't work or visit old people, but you can exercise outside etc

Surely a person has to quarantine?? So if someone was in my house having just come from Germany, should they not stay in their bedroom for 14 days? That's going to be pretty tough to do .... and stay away from the rest of us in the house?

stay in a bedroom?! lol.

the HSE site says restrict movement, not be a hermit.

tests are about 160e and if its for work msot jobs wont accept them

ACitizenErased

Trump says he expects a vaccine within the next few months and “very likely” by the end of the year

gabeeg

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Trump says he expects a vaccine within the next few months and “very likely” by the end of the year

Is this meant to be encouraging?

timsey tiger

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Trump says he expects a vaccine within the next few months and “very likely” by the end of the year

How much does that have to do with reality and how much with his reelection prospects?

UrbanFret

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Trump says he expects a vaccine within the next few months and “very likely” by the end of the year

He's not the only one. it will happen sooner rather than later. Need to hang in there for 3 or 4 months more, I believe it's closer than Mcconkey and co would have you believe.

ACitizenErased

timsey tiger wrote: »

How much does that have to do with reality and how much with his reelection prospects?

I found that he’s fairly tuned in with vaccine/treatment timelines

Azatadine

UrbanFret wrote: »

He's not the only one. it will happen sooner rather than later. Need to hang in there for 3 or 4 months more, I believe it's closer than Mcconkey and co would have you believe.

Kingston Mills is the guy I listen to most intently when he's taking about vaccines or anything else to do with Covid.

Santy2015

Azatadine wrote: »

Kingston Mills is the guy I listen to most intently when he's taking about vaccines or anything else to do with Covid.

What is he saying??

Charles Babbage

THere will be a vaccine, but successful stage 3 trials are only one step in the process, it would be 6 months before you could relax restrictions. There is a danger of someone getting a vaccine in early December and party season breaking out over Christmas with many deaths in January.

marno21

Trump is right - there likely will be an approved vaccine before the end of the year.

What there won't be is a vaccinated US with life returned to normal and some of the catastrophic damage the pandemic has done reversed. As per usual, it'll be upto the incoming Democrat to clean up the mess like 2008.

The vaccine isn't the silver bullet he reckons it is.