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How many people on Boards have a mask and if so are you wearing them for essential trips? And this late in the day where can you get one that is going to be half decent and not from a suspect seller who could have done anything to it?

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kyote00

Ahh, the good Dr Buttar again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_Buttar

A well-known conspiracy theorist ....

Buttar has been criticized for his use of chelation therapies,[2] such as topical cream containing chelators to treat children with autism, and for his use of intravenous hydrogen peroxide and EDTA to treat cancer.[5][18]

In April 2010, the FDA sent Buttar a warning letter for illegally marketing unapproved topical creams as drugs via his websites,

Don2012 wrote: »

Please watch this, and give viewpoint afterward thank you.

https://youtu.be/U47_sRuG0Yg

kyote00

On the substantive point about the "size" of the coronavirus.....vs the ability of masks to stop it......

While the virus itself is under 1 micron, the droplets and aerosol (mucus and snot) that transports them through the air are much bigger so masks are excellent at trapping it.....

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

John O.Groats wrote: »

So you`re comparing Ireland to North Korea ? Seriously? Another of the tinfoil hat wearers that are on the loose in this thread.

Tinfoil hat.
Tinfoil hat.
Tinfoil hat.

No arguments though.

Don2012

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Don2012 have you got anything of substance to contribute, beyond a snarky comment and a meme?

Consider your next posts carefully if you intend to continue contributing to this thread

joeguevara wrote: »

I actually get all of my information about everything, from aardvarks to Zica virus from an aubergine farmer from Arkansas. He is an expert like the guy in the video. I’m sick of all these norms getting practical and fact based information. They are so stupid thinking they are in free when in reality they live in North Korea. I see them in the supermarkets with their face burqas being all safe and reducing transmission. Me and you Don, we know the truth. We are the chosen ones.

Was this anything of substance to contribute, beyond a snarky comment and a meme?

joeguevara

Don2012 wrote: »

Was this anything of substance to contribute, beyond a snarky comment and a meme?

Don, i was agreeing with you. Why are you doing this to me?

xhomelezz

Don2012 wrote: »

Please watch this, and give viewpoint afterward thank you.

https://youtu.be/U47_sRuG0Yg

Ok, so watched it and it's actually amazing how much bullsh1t you can cram into 12 minutes. Must be some kind of competition on YouTube. That guy is certainly heading for a gold medal.

McGiver

xhomelezz wrote: »

Ok, so watched it and it's actually amazing how much bullsh1t you can cram into 12 minutes. Must be some kind of competition on YouTube. That guy is certainly heading for a gold medal.

That was kind of my point. My bullcrap meter went to the overdrive at 1:30 so kudos to you that you could bear the whole 12 minutes

Now seriously - there could be many motives for this - getting clicks and ad revenue is one of them or bringing the watchers to some business "product" of his. Or as I said, he could be just a madman.

Pablo Escobar

Don2012 wrote: »

Facts from whom?

From believable sources. Medical experts, peer reviewed research, etc. The sort of stuff that holds water. When it’s an argument of experts versus some guy that posted a meme of Facebook (Or in this case, a video on YouTube) you’ll have to excuse me if I’m a little bit dismissive.

Jim_Hodge

Don2012 wrote: »

Smart guy!!

Smart enough to look at real evidence rather than spend my time on the Conspiracy Theory forum.

Some of us live in the real world Don.

Wibbs

xhomelezz wrote: »

Ok, so watched it and it's actually amazing how much bullsh1t you can cram into 12 minutes. Must be some kind of competition on YouTube. That guy is certainly heading for a gold medal.

Oh I dunno, peddling bullsh1te on the interwebs is a crammed field of enterprise. Though you can't sell BS if you don't have a decent head of idiots willing to buy.

Well people generally don't like complexity and life is complex. They want easy simplistic answers and they'll go out of their way to get them. This generally goes for the hardline at both ends of an argument too. The only way to sift through the BS of the simple answer is to see how far it stands up to the burden of actual repeatable proof.

McGiver

Wibbs wrote: »

Well people generally don't like complexity and life is complex. They want easy simplistic answers and they'll go out of their way to get them. This generally goes for the hardline at both ends of an argument too. The only way to sift through the BS of the simple answer is to see how far it stands up to the burden of actual repeatable proof.

This is it. The age of Trumpism. Anti-science anti-fact anti-expert sentiment on the rise. Populists (or worse fascists and despots) like to present simple solutions to complex problems.

Many people like simple solutions for complex problems.
Fortunately this can be fixed by education which teaches people to use rational arguments and evidenced based approach. You won't calculate or measure something in physics by listening to some lunatic on YouTube telling you that the formula for calculating volume of a liquid in a container is a conspiracy.

Wibbs

McGiver wrote: »

This is it. The age of Trumpism. Anti-science anti-fact anti-expert sentiment on the rise. Populists (or worse fascists and despots) like to be present simple solutions to complex problems.

To be fair M it was always thus throughout human history. Distract the "mob" with bread and circuses and religions and superstition and the flow of easy answers from their "betters". The man or woman who offered to translate the shades of grey into black and white was rarely without a job. The only difference now is there are more portals for it and more people with access to those portals.

Pablo Escobar

Wibbs wrote: »

To be fair M it was always thus throughout human history. Distract the "mob" with bread and circuses and religions and superstition and the flow of easy answers from their "betters". The man or woman who offered to translate the shades of grey into black and white was rarely without a job. The only difference now is there are more portals for it and more people with access to those portals.

This is it. During the Spanish Flu there was also conspiracies. People had “opinions” on masks and there was a major one that held that Spanish Flu was created by Bayer. But as you say, there’s more platforms now and it’s much easier to reach people.....and target particular people as Cambridge Analytica have shown us.

Overheal

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

From believable sources. Medical experts, peer reviewed research, etc. The sort of stuff that holds water. When it’s an argument of experts versus some guy that posted a meme of Facebook (Or in this case, a video on YouTube) you’ll have to excuse me if I’m a little bit dismissive.

Dr Fauci in front of congress also advised that just because some study is peer reviewed doesn’t make it as important as the content. I can’t remember what study of hydroxychloroquine the republican side was trying to argue with him about but his whole point was despite being peer reviewed the study in question was not a placebo-controlled blind study, and so in his view was worth very little as a pharmacological study.

MadYaker

Overheal wrote: »

Dr Fauci in front of congress also advised that just because some study is peer reviewed doesn’t make it as important as the content. I can’t remember what study of hydroxychloroquine the republican side was trying to argue with him about but his whole point was despite being peer reviewed the study in question was not a placebo-controlled blind study, and so in his view was worth very little as a pharmacological study.

It just goes to show that the presidents words actually matter. There's loads of people in the USA now who fully believe that HDQ is the cure but it's being supressed by the media and people like Fauci in some grand conspiracy.

At least he has come around to mask wearing when he's out and about.

SweetCaliber

Very high level of compliance in the shops I was in this morning, even the petrol stations where practically nobody was wearing them before today. Quite surprised!

joeguevara

SweetCaliber wrote: »

Very high level of compliance in the shops I was in this morning, even the petrol stations where practically nobody was wearing them before today. Quite surprised!

Shop beside work where very few were wearing them last week now has 100% compliance when I was there at 10am. All staff (even behind the three different food counters and till) as well as all patrons were wearing them. I saw one guy being refused entry until he got his mask (out in the car) and he did with no issues.

Tork

Those are promising starts. I wonder how will the compliance be in the evening time? That's when it seems to drop off.

_Kaiser_

It's the same as the travel restrictions... it'll last only as long as the threat of fines/jail time is there.

If enforcement doesn't happen or slacks off (as it did with the travel restrictions) it'll be up to individuals to do as they wish

harr

Seen one melt down around an hour ago a grown man refusing to leave a shop or to put on mask .. demanding to be served.. owner threatened to ring guards and refused service .. knocked over sweet stand on way out.
A number of other customers were starting to get fairly ratty with him.

Charles Babbage

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's the same as the travel restrictions... it'll last only as long as the threat of fines/jail time is there.

If enforcement doesn't happen or slacks off (as it did with the travel restrictions) it'll be up to individuals to do as they wish

I think you mean that if there is not adequate enforcement than many anti social individuals will do as they wish, like dumping litter.

twirlagig

harr wrote: »

Seen one melt down around an hour ago a grown man refusing to leave a shop or to put on mask .. demanding to be served.. owner threatened to ring guards and refused service .. knocked over sweet stand on way out.
A number of other customers were starting to get fairly ratty with him.

That is shocking, but I can't say I'm very surprised. There'll be a few more of those stories before the day is out, I'd say.

Stark

Probably armed with "medical exemptions" done up using Microsoft Word and home printer as well.

Away With The Fairies

So what about offices? Still only recommended if social distancing is difficult. People will see that as a choice.

joeguevara

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

So what about offices? Still only recommended if social distancing is difficult. People will see that as a choice.

The employer should have a risk assessment complete to determine requirement on whether masks are a requirement.

Away With The Fairies

Also masks not required in places providing medical services including opticians ? What were these guys smoking when making these rules up. Pretty sure I can get my eyes checked and wear a mask at the same time.

Alot of veterinary practices has introduced mask wearing in their premises but in human healthcare settings, ah, you're fine.

Tork

Actually, an optician is one person who should be masked up. As anybody who has ever had an eye test will tell you, they have to get very close to your face at times.

Jim_Hodge

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Also masks not required in places providing medical services including opticians ? What were these guys smoking when making these rules up. Pretty sure I can get my eyes checked and wear a mask at the same time.

Alot of veterinary practices has introduced mask wearing in their premises but in human healthcare settings, ah, you're fine.

Opticians here have been insisting on masks for at least the past six weeks.

murpho999

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Also masks not required in places providing medical services including opticians ? What were these guys smoking when making these rules up. Pretty sure I can get my eyes checked and wear a mask at the same time.

Alot of veterinary practices has introduced mask wearing in their premises but in human healthcare settings, ah, you're fine.

I've been to a GP and an optician in the last month and I had to wear a mask.

Snow Garden

Tork wrote: »

Actually, an optician is one person who should be masked up. As anybody who has ever had an eye test will tell you, they have to get very close to your face at times.

Is that so you can see them?