while other countries lifted restrictions from April, Sweden has left almost all measures in place, despite registering a rapid drop in the number of cases from over 150 cases per 100,000 people per fortnight in early July to about 30 on Friday. “We try to put measures in place that are sustainable over time, instead of jumping from extremely high level of measures to no levels at all,” Tegnell told the Observer. “Lifting and closing things is really detrimental to trust and will also have a lot more negative effects than keeping some kind of level of measures all the time. Opening and closing schools, for example, would be disastrous.”
Tegnell also criticised the recent decisions of countries such as the UK and Norway to reimpose quarantine restrictions or reinstate advice not to travel after seeing upticks in infection. The scale of the drop would indicate an immunity in the Swedish population of “20%, 30%, maybe even slightly more in some areas”, he suggested, indicating that antibody tests in Sweden showing much lower rates were not telling the full story.
While Sweden’s steady-as-you-go strategy is starting to look more sensible as Denmark, Norway and Finland see a resurgence in cases, Tegnell said he now doubted if there would ever be a definitive answer over which strategy was best. “It will be very difficult to to achieve any kind of really clear-cut answer as to what was right and what was wrong,” he said. “I think we’re talking years into the future before we can get any kind of consensus on how to deal with this in the best possible way.”
mcsean2163 wrote: » The bank bailout cost €41.3 billion.https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/bank-bail-out-estimated-to-have-cost-state-41-7bn-says-comptroller-1.4035332?mode=amp Unemployment, public sector wages etc. were the big costs or circa €130 billion. We won't get another €130 billion this time I think, so what happens next year? What happens if the schools don't open?https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30994285.html
Jessica Swift Bearded wrote: » Ok, you got me, I'm not biting any more, Good night.
Lash_Alert wrote: » Well, i'd like to think your daughter and her friend are smart enough to be aware of the current rules. If you suspect they aren't which i guess from your comment you do, then you have a responsibility to tell them the rules.
Jessica Swift Bearded wrote: » Ok I'll get my daughter to tell her friend what you said. Everything's going to be fine now!
Lash_Alert wrote: » No circles. The parents are responsible. Is Portugal on green list? If not then she cant meet friends on Thursday. If it is, then she can. Thats the rules at present. Common sense then on top of that would tell you it isnt smart to be meeting
Jessica Swift Bearded wrote: » So we're going in circles. Maybe the parents who are responsible are happy to let their kids break the rules. My daughters friend is returning from Portugal on Wednesday and wants to meet the gang on Thursday. Probably plenty of irresponsible parents don't care either way about this or anything their kids do. Either way causes a problem to the current plan so you're going to need the Chinese solution.
Lash_Alert wrote: » Once they are under their roof, they are their responsibility.
Jessica Swift Bearded wrote: » And back to the answer I gave you above:- Maybe the parents of under 18s don't think it's right to lock down their kids?
Jessica Swift Bearded wrote: » As had been said multiple times it could go to zero cases and it will come back unless you lock the borders down hard with the DUP agreement to do the same to Britain. You're deluding yourself if you think anything other than that or a vaccine will stop it. A highly contagious virus that mostly has mild or no symptoms will not be stopped. The Irish approach will impoverish us and not stop the virus. The problem with common sense is that it's not that common, plus you're assuming 100% buy in to the government measures. Look around, that's not happening, especially with young people.
Lash_Alert wrote: » Well i doubt most 18 - 30 year olds have their own places (be that renting or owned) so lets assume then they live with parents and for that reason its down to the parents.
Jessica Swift Bearded wrote: » No idea, I'm not going to search your posts. Your post implied that you think lock down is a good idea. Yes that's true. So that's makes it the right response? Many of these kids are over 18. Maybe the parents of under 18s don't think it's right to lock down their kids? I certainly don't know any parents who think it's right that their kids have been out of school since March. As I said, not everybody is on board.
Lash_Alert wrote: » Multiple questions: 1. When did i ever say we would stop it?
2. Its not the Irish approach its a common global approach, allow small numbers of ppl to get it
3. No, its just common sense. The issue is people not controlling their kids etc.
mcsean2163 wrote: » National debt now €231 billionhttps://www.ntma.ie/business-areas/funding-and-debt-management/statistics It will be 250 billion by Christmas. Who's meant to pay it? Unless the world completely changes, this Pandemic is going to be extremely expensive. I told my daughter today that her generation will pay for it. What happens if multinationals exit Ireland, who will lend to us then? More lockdowns, no tourism, how long can this go on?
Lash_Alert wrote: » you're good craic arent ya? what an odd sentence to say to your daughter.
Lash_Alert wrote: » How didnt it work? Our cases went from high to low....the only thing that didnt work was trusting people to use common sense.
charlie14 wrote: » We didn`t have much wriggle room during the banking crisis either. A lot of money thrown at that for all the thanks we got from the banks for saving their asses, and it didn`t save a single life. Do you realise just how much that cost the taxpayer ? It will not just be your daughter but your grandchildren who will still be paying for that.
tobefrank321 wrote: » Likely different regions reporting at different times, similar to the UK or US. Their new cases are largely in younger age groups. Interestingly the Swedes advise against non essential visits to the elderly, which is something we don't advise here.
Jessica Swift Bearded wrote: » So, lockdown didn't work so what will we do??? I know more but better lockdown.
mcsean2163 wrote: » We've left ourselves with little wiggle room. Is continuing rolling lockdowns sustainable for a country in our position?
gabeeg wrote: » You've accidentally made the case for lockdowns Nice job
charlie14 wrote: » We borrowed 231 billion since March.:rolleyes:
tobefrank321 wrote: » Lockdown away. We've seen its an unsustainable approach from a health point of view in that once you lift it you're back to square 1 after a few weeks. The Swedes have proved that other measures other than lockdowns bring deaths and ICU admissions down. And economically lockdown is a disastrous policy. But theres no convincing some. They'd have us in permanent lockdown if they could.
tobefrank321 wrote: » Prove those 2000 are covid related and not for example people avoiding treatment for other ailments such as stroke, heart attacks or cancer because they are afraid of going to hospital. Come on, show us the proof. You seem to think people only die of covid when in reality covid will at most make up less than 10% of deaths in most countries, Sweden and Ireland included. But hey lets ignore the 90% of other deaths including the collatoral of lockdowns such as undiagnosed cancers. In Ireland its closer to 5%. Other causes of death can't get a look in these days, I suppose they aren't dramatic enough.
gabeeg wrote: » No. If they're working in a factory they're unlikely to be old or infirm and therefore most if not all would not require hospitalisation. Many probably got sick, but that's hardly newsworthy. I thought those that gave it the "it's just a flu" were bad enough, but some of you are now drifting into "it's not even a mild cold" territory now. These people have been falsely labeled asymptomatic. There's no way of knowing how they'll fare in the end, but in the incubation period all of them are simply pre-symptomatic.
