bb1234567 wrote: » I followed it since January and I would say that a lot of information was made available on the situation in Wuhan. The profile of victims was well established, we knew that most children were asymptomatic for example, just the fact Italy had such a high number of at risk individuals caused a lot of deaths, which triggered knee jerk reaction globally.
MadYaker wrote: » It’s amazing how many experts there are on boards that know better than a team of scientists and doctors with hundreds of collective years experience.
Jessica Swift Bearded wrote: » Somebody said to me that we were lucky in seeing what happened in Lombardy. My reply was that we were unlucky. How would we have reacted if the first Irish case of Corona had been Brady’s Ham plant in Kildare. One person with symptoms but at least quarter (80 so far) of the workforce infected and showing no symptoms. I don't think we would have shut the schools and locked down the country.
gabeeg wrote: » From the WHO "On average it takes 5–6 days from when someone is infected with the virus for symptoms to show, however it can take up to 14 days." So many of them will be on their way to getting very, very sick from about today. So it would likely have scared the **** out of us and we'd have locked down anyway
ceadaoin. wrote: » Wasn't there another cluster at a meat plant earlier in the outbreak where the vast majority were also asymptomatic at the time of testing positive? Did many of them get very very sick? I remember people saying the same thing, "just wait" but I dont remember hearing any further updates about hospitalisations or deaths.
john4321 wrote: » I'm not highlighting this part to be confrontational only just to discuss. Did we really know this in detail in March? I didn't think we knew a lot about the virus until it hit Europe (Italy) from what I can remember.
Nermal wrote: » Yes, we knew enough to choose a better path from the outset: [url](https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112899489)[/url] Groupthink, unwillingess of institutions to change course and no small amount of hysteria have locked us into the current path, and it's going to be really difficult to change anything now, with the sunk capital invested in the current approach. Not an attack on you personally, but I posted four months ago how your question would emerge: (https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=113247431)"In a few year's time, you'll be telling one another that the government acted on the best data they had and that you always privately thought the lockdown went a bit to far. It'll be the new 'we all partied'." The only way to mentally reconcile changing course with the vast waste of what's been done to date is to pretend that in retrospect it was the only reasonable course of action at the time.
charlie14 wrote: » Being asymptomatic does not mean the cannot spread the virus to others.
ceadaoin. wrote: » I never said anything about the spread. The workers are aware they have the virus so presumably are isolating. I was replying to the poster who said that so many of those workers are going to get very very sick and that it would scare people into lockdown if it happened earlier. Doesn't seem to have happened in previous outbreaks at meat plants is all I'm saying.
Jessica Swift Bearded wrote: » So, lockdown didn't work so what will we do??? I know more but better lockdown.
i_surge wrote: » What do you propose? Copy Sweden?
Jessica Swift Bearded wrote: » I would have thought my opinion was obvious?? Yes.
mcsean2163 wrote: » National debt now €231 billionhttps://www.ntma.ie/business-areas/funding-and-debt-management/statistics It will be 250 billion by Christmas. Who's meant to pay it? Unless the world completely changes, this Pandemic is going to be extremely expensive. I told my daughter today that her generation will pay for it. What happens if multinationals exit Ireland, who will lend to us then? More lockdowns, no tourism, how long can this go on?
Nermal wrote: » Yes, we knew enough to choose a better path from the outset:https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112899489 Groupthink, unwillingess of institutions to change course and no small amount of hysteria have locked us into the current path, and it's going to be really difficult to change anything now, with the sunk capital invested in the current approach. Not an attack on you personally, but I posted four months ago how your question would emerge: (https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=113247431)"In a few year's time, you'll be telling one another that the government acted on the best data they had and that you always privately thought the lockdown went a bit to far. It'll be the new 'we all partied'." The only way to mentally reconcile changing course with the vast waste of what's been done to date is to pretend that in retrospect it was the only reasonable course of action at the time.
john4321 wrote: » Just on the first part of your reply where you link back to your post from March were you aware at the time the article you linked to at the time was taken from a conspiracy theory website?
Bit cynical wrote: » I think today is the first weekday Sweden have reported no deaths; they don't report on weekends. Their daily death rate had been falling since the peak in April and is now below many EU countries though still above the EU average. On the other hand, daily detected cases are now sharply increasing and have been for the last 10 days or so. The rise is largely among the 20-29 age group.https://www.thelocal.se/20200806/its-a-bad-sign-sweden-sees-renewed-rise-in-infections-among-young-adults
Nermal wrote: » The first link in the article is directly to the piece written by Ioannidis, here.
Ce he sin wrote: » And to think that there are people posting here who say that the Swedish approach is leading to herd immunity....
Spiderman0081 wrote: » And to think that there are people posting here who still believe that the number one goal of the Swedish approach was to lead to herd immunity....
greyday wrote: » And you don't?
tobefrank321 wrote: » Unlikely Sweden will achieve herd immunity any time soon and they said it might happen but its not the primary goal. The primary goal is to live with the virus and leave as much of the country open. They appear to have got a handle on deaths and ICU numbers which is likely to do with better cocooning of vulnerable groups.
