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How many people on Boards have a mask and if so are you wearing them for essential trips? And this late in the day where can you get one that is going to be half decent and not from a suspect seller who could have done anything to it?

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xhomelezz

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Hold my bucket while I vomit. Look at the virtue signalling out of you and 5 likes to show for it. I bet you feel good about yourself showing the internet how compliant you are. What are we turning into indoctrinating kids with this stuff.

There you go mate, do we need to hold your hair as well??

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Tork

Where was all your anger when we were all locked down earlier in the year? I for one hope we never have to go through a lockdown ever again. I live 30 miles away from my parents and I rarely was able to make the trip to the supermarket to buy their groceries, drop them to their house and drive home again without explaining myself to a guard at a checkpoint. That pisses me off far more than the inconvenience of pulling on a cloth mask for 20 minutes. I don't love shopping but I much prefer being able to buy clothes and footwear in person than taking a shot in the dark and ordering online. I like being able to walk into a shop to buy a tin of paint or some bedding plants instead of needing to go online. All these simple pleasures were taken from us in March when Covid-19 visited our shores. If wearing a mask for duration of a shopping trip will help keep everything open, it is a small price to pay.

GT89

Overheal wrote: »

Some people won't accept common sense until there's a convincing enough number of dead Irish. 100s? 1000s?

Dead from what?

Overheal

GT89 wrote: »

Dead from what?

Covid-19. This is the Covid-19 forum.

CalamariFritti

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

What is the big objection to wearing a mask? I am not being smart, I honestly do not understand why it is a thing.

You forget you are wearing it after a few minutes, it's not painful, why is this such a big deal?

I could think of a few reasons.

One of the pettier points against mandatory masks is that they only made them mandatory for bullsh1t reasons. 'Because everyone else is doing it. Wouldnt want to attract attention that way'. Or maybe because 'better play it super safe', or maybe 'because we hear some noise on media the people want them'.
I honestly don't know what the real reason was but if it was COVID itself its yet another dramatic overreaction.

- Because masks are only being worn by any significant number of people for about two weeks. We made it from the beginning of the outbreak in March down to our low numbers of July without them. And while that was partly in lockdown, in supermarkets and later in shops we weren't locking down. That was the one place where we all still met and where thousands of supermarket workers hung around amidst us all. Virtually no supermarket staff infected, no outbreaks, nothing. All without masks.

So now we're down to those small numbers through months of uncertainty and now we make masks mandatory. In shops and supermarkets. :eek:

There are actually two pieces of proof here. a) Masks in shops and supermarkets will have no tangible effect on the outbreak. They are a dramatic overreaction. b) Our government and health advice can be full of sh1t when it suits them.

* And strangely enough cases seem on the increase since the introduction of masks. But of course the counterargument will be that we'd see even more cases without them. Which brings me to the second point.

- The main mask argument is 'that it makes sense'. Sure if we emit droplets and droplets cause infection and masks will significantly reduce droplets than it has to be safer with masks than without them. Rock solid logic. Completely leaving aside the fact that we don't know whether it was unsafe in the first place. Oh hold on, we do know actually, we already know that supermarkets and shops were safe.
So maybe we should wear life vests in supermarkets too. Just in case a sudden tsunami comes rolling in. Can't be safe enough...

- Lastly masks are part of the restrictions and restrictions are a bad thing. They are curtailing our freedoms and exerting control over us - our freedom is one of the most precious things we have. Therefore any restriction must be the absolutely minimal restriction possible. It must be appropriate and proportionate and must require solid justification and stand up to scrutiny. There must be no restriction because it might get us up in the polls a bit or because 'sure everyone else is doing it'. The entire lockdown and the opening up is riddled with examples that would not stand up to any scrutiny and masks are just the most recent one.

Overheal

Lady in the US gets the perfect response: she claims to have a disability, cops called to the scene are firm she can shop from curbside. She gives up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/i2k56q/another_case_of_covidiocy_in_a_store_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Risteard81

Tork wrote: »

Where was all your anger when we were all locked down earlier in the year? I for one hope we never have to go through a lockdown ever again. I live 30 miles away from my parents and I rarely was able to make the trip to the supermarket to buy their groceries, drop them to their house and drive home again without explaining myself to a guard at a checkpoint. That pisses me off far more than the inconvenience of pulling on a cloth mask for 20 minutes. I don't love shopping but I much prefer being able to buy clothes and footwear in person than taking a shot in the dark and ordering online. I like being able to walk into a shop to buy a tin of paint or some bedding plants instead of needing to go online. All these simple pleasures were taken from us in March when Covid-19 visited our shores. If wearing a mask for duration of a shopping trip will help keep everything open, it is a small price to pay.

Did it ever dawn on you that both the illegal lockdown policy and enforced mask wearing are wrong and immoral policies?

Tork

Why is wearing a mask a restriction? It's an inconvenience for a short while, then you can put it away and get on with the rest of you day. The anti maskers spend more time composing those lengthy posts on boards than they would if they wore a mask.

Risteard81

Tork wrote: »

Why is wearing a mask a restriction?

Completely idiotic question by you.

Tork

Risteard81 wrote: »

Did it ever dawn on you that both the illegal lockdown policy and enforced mask wearing are wrong and immoral policies?

Oh I see. We're into John Waters and Gemma O'Doherty territory :rolleyes:

Tork

Risteard81 wrote: »

Completely idiotic question by you.

No it isn't. It's a genuine question.

Polar101

CalamariFritti wrote: »

So maybe we should wear life vests in supermarkets too. Just in case a sudden tsunami comes rolling in. Can't be safe enough...

That's just silly. You know the reason for mask wearing is not to protect yourself, but others from you. I feel that's the main reason the "freedom" argument doesn't work, because it's just freedom for yourself - but what about the freedom of others to be protected from you?

GT89

Overheal wrote: »

Covid-19. This is the Covid-19 forum.

It's not that serious. I do not nessecarily believe that CV19 is a hoax like some but I do not believe it is as serious as some like yourself make out. I am of the opinion that it is being overhyped by the media and government and the disease is either far less contagious or far less deadly than is being made out most likely the latter.

Overheal

GT89 wrote: »

It's not that serious. I do not nessecarily believe that CV19 is a hoax like some but I do not believe it is as serious as some like yourself make out. I am of the opinion that it is being overhyped by the media and government and the disease is either far less contagious or far less deadly than is being made out most likely the latter.

So it will take how many dead Irish to make you take it seriously>?

Overheal

Risteard81 wrote: »

Did it ever dawn on you that both the illegal lockdown policy and enforced mask wearing are wrong and immoral policies?

It is wrong and immoral to make you wear underwear in public?

odyssey06

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Because masks are ineffective and unnecessary and there is no co-relation btw wearing masks and a reduction in cases.

I see you are continuing to ignore all the posts that have rebutted your points as canards.
Direct replies to your post in response to the previous times you posted these canards then hit and ran.
* https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114211581

* https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114210090

This evidence has been quoted and cited and sourced numerous times on this thread and in direct reply to your posts.
In contrast, you have no argument. Nothing.

v638sg7k1a92bx

odyssey06 wrote: »

I see you are continuing to ignore all the posts that have rebutted your points as canards.
Direct replies to your post in response to the previous times you posted these canards then hit and ran.
* https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114211581

* https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=114210090

This evidence has been quoted and cited and sourced numerous times on this thread and in direct reply to your posts.
In contrast, you have no argument. Nothing.

That’s not evidence and we can see around us that more people are wearing masks and cases are increasing. Likewise with countries that made masks mandatory we can see and increases in cases. You can scroll the internet for studies from (American) websites that show that on a Tuesday at 2pm there was a reduction in cases because 4 extra people wore a mask that day but look around you. Masks do not equal reduced cases, that is the reality.

If you’ve invested so much in trying to argue how great masks are go ahead and see one if it makes you feel better but that’s all it will do.

tom1ie

GT89 wrote: »

It's not that serious. I do not nessecarily believe that CV19 is a hoax like some but I do not believe it is as serious as some like yourself make out. I am of the opinion that it is being overhyped by the media and government and the disease is either far less contagious or far less deadly than is being made out most likely the latter.

This is interesting.
Why do you believe that?
Just wondering how anyone can believe that when we see what it can do in Brazil USA Mexico etc when it’s allowed go unchecked.
I’m not judging I’m just trying to understand the logic.

tom1ie

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

That’s not evidence and we can see around us that more people are wearing masks and cases are increasing. Likewise with countries that made masks mandatory we can see and increases in cases. You can scroll the internet for studies from (American) websites that show that on a Tuesday at 2pm there was a reduction in cases because 4 extra people wore a mask that day but look around you. Masks do not equal reduced cases, that is the reality.

If you’ve invested so much in trying to argue how great masks are go ahead and see one if it makes you feel better but that’s all it will do.

Lag time!!!!!!!!!
Just because you see someone wearing a mask doesn’t mean cases will drop that day!!
Ffs there’s an incubation period to take into account let alone asymptotic cases.
Cases are going up because SD has significantly reduced and the economy is re opening and because certain people refuse to use masks.

_Kaiser_

tom1ie wrote: »

Lag time!!!!!!!!!
Just because you see someone wearing a mask doesn’t mean cases will drop that day!!
Ffs there’s an incubation period to take into account let alone asymptotic cases.
Cases are going up because SD has significantly reduced and the economy is re opening and because certain people refuse to use masks.

Lag time doesn't hold up... the economy has been reopening for the last 6 weeks or so. The numbers only started to increase a week-ish ago. Incubation time is what, 14 days max. Masks in place about the same time.

Cases are going up because we have finally gotten testing to where it should have been in March/April. But even at that it's still not necessarily a problem. What matters is the ICU numbers and the recovery numbers (never spoken of) - not an ever increasing total from day 1. And even at that, there's been no deaths in a week.

The big problem here is that some can't see that as the good thing it is - instead so driven by the fear and what if/whataboutery and reports from the other side of the planet that they have lost all perspective locally.

v638sg7k1a92bx

tom1ie wrote: »

Lag time!!!!!!!!!
Just because you see someone wearing a mask today doesn’t mean cases will drop that day!!
Ffs there’s an incubation period to take into account let alone asymptotic cases.
Cases are going up because SD has significantly reduced and the economy is re opening and because certain people refuse to use masks.

If you’ve latched into the idea of wearing a mask go ahead and wear one. They are shown to be ineffective for several reasons but if it makes you fell better and you refuse to observe the reality around you then continue being a servile compliant little boy and do exactly what your told all the time without questioning anything because it makes you popular on Twitter, boards, Reddit whatever but don’t try and force your hang ups on me.

odyssey06

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

That’s not evidence and we can see around us that more people are wearing masks and cases are increasing. Likewise with countries that made masks mandatory we can see and increases in cases. You can scroll the internet for studies from (American) websites that show that on a Tuesday at 2pm there was a reduction in cases because 4 extra people wore a mask that day but look around you. Masks do not equal reduced cases, that is the reality. If you’ve invested so much in trying to argue how great masks are go ahead and see one if it makes you feel better but that’s all it will do.

That's not evidence?
Ah here.
The CDC has a better understanding of what constitutes scientific evidence than you do.
Your bluffs and evasions on this thread have been called.
You have no arguments left except "that's not evidence" in response to real evidence i.e. to the laboratory studies, data, epidemiologic data on cases in different countries and states, specific case studies showing how masks prevented infection and
cited by one of the most respected health authorities in the world for their change in guidance on masks.

When you say "that's not evidence" what you are really saying is you don't understand science and you have no argument.

xhomelezz

tom1ie wrote: »

Lag time!!!!!!!!!
Just because you see someone wearing a mask today doesn’t mean cases will drop that day!!
Ffs there’s an incubation period to take into account let alone asymptotic cases.
Cases are going up because SD has significantly reduced and the economy is re opening and because certain people refuse to use masks.

Wasting your breath buddy. It's like talking to the pile of bricks here. At least it looks like just a small pile. Hopefully majority of people keep using common sense and simple logic.

Sofa King Great

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

That’s not evidence and we can see around us that more people are wearing masks and cases are increasing. Likewise with countries that made masks mandatory we can see and increases in cases. You can scroll the internet for studies from (American) websites that show that on a Tuesday at 2pm there was a reduction in cases because 4 extra people wore a mask that day but look around you. Masks do not equal reduced cases, that is the reality.

If you’ve invested so much in trying to argue how great masks are go ahead and see one if it makes you feel better but that’s all it will do.

So by your logic, since cases started increasing at the same time as masks became mandatory, masks in fact spread it?

v638sg7k1a92bx

That evidence at best is inconclusive. It is a simple statement of fact that in countries where masks are now mandatory that the number of cases has increased. How can you then argue the exact opposite when we can see this before our eyes?

Sofa King Great

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

That evidence at best is inconclusive. It is a simple statement of fact that in countries where masks are now mandatory that the number of cases has increased. How can you then argue the exact opposite when we can see this before our eyes?

Do you have evidence to show how much they would increase by without masks?

The reality is, the sort of "evidence" you are looking for will only be available well after the fact. The evidence available now shows that face coverings reduce the spread of droplets that may or be carrying covid

tom1ie

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Lag time doesn't hold up... the economy has been reopening for the last 6 weeks or so. The numbers only started to increase a week-ish ago. Incubation time is what, 14 days max. Masks in place about the same time.

Cases are going up because we have finally gotten testing to where it should have been in March/April. But even at that it's still not necessarily a problem. What matters is the ICU numbers and the recovery numbers (never spoken of) - not an ever increasing total from day 1. And even at that, there's been no deaths in a week.

The big problem here is that some can't see that as the good thing it is - instead so driven by the fear and what if/whataboutery and reports from the other side of the planet that they have lost all perspective locally.

I understand what your saying but how that doesn’t stand up to what’s happening in the USA Brazil etc.
The virus was let get out of hand there and hospitals and icu’s are swamped.
It stands to reason if more cases develop in Ireland a small percentage will end up in hospital.
Of that small percentage a small percentage will end up in icu.
Of that small percentage (I could be wrong on this but I believe Ireland has a recovery rate in icu of approx 60%) 40% will die.
Therefore the more cases we have the more those small percentages will rise.
In Ireland we have a pinch point that is proper icu capacity, so there is more potential for our icu’s to get swamped sooner as we have lower capacity.
That’s why people are concerned about daily cases going up.

xhomelezz

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

That evidence at best is inconclusive. It is a simple statement of fact that in countries where masks are now mandatory that the number of cases has increased. How can you then argue the exact opposite when we can see this before our eyes?

Some countries were too slow to make masks mandatory and in some countries rules around wearing masks were eased significantly, reintroduced again were the cases started to grow. Your suggestions sux.

MadYaker

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

That evidence at best is inconclusive. It is a simple statement of fact that in countries where masks are now mandatory that the number of cases has increased. How can you then argue the exact opposite when we can see this before our eyes?

Masks reduce transmission they don’t eliminate the virus. People still die in car crashes so I guess you think seat belts are useless and never wear them?

In Hong Kong they’ve had 38 deaths from coronavirus and only 3,500 cases and they never had a lockdown. 14 million people in an area the size of west Clare. They all wear masks all the time. But you think they’re useless?

Sconsey

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

If you’ve latched into the idea of wearing a mask go ahead and wear one. They are shown to be ineffective for several reasons but if it makes you fell better and you refuse to observe the reality around you then continue being a servile compliant little boy and do exactly what your told all the time without questioning anything because it makes you popular on Twitter, boards, Reddit whatever but don’t try and force your hang ups on me.

Any evidence to back that up, because there are pages and pages of evidence on this thread that contradict you. Proper peer-reviewed science versus your what? opinion? made up facts? maybe someone on Facebook posted someting?

Can you list the several reasons you talk about, some evidence would also be helpful if you want to be taken seriously.