am_zarathustra wrote: » What other location, all the rooms are being used remember? sure you are telling us to rent out the local church or whatever. I cannot leave the site as I am a Year Head. Our current prep room might fit 4 people with SD at a stretch. Hopefully the practical rooms won't need to be timetabled all classes but I'm not really sure what staff will do in between classes for planning. I imagine it will vary massively depending on schools
Alrigghtythen wrote: » You ask what other locations and then you say I've been telling you other locations. Read the other locations I already gave then? * I never said the local church, but hey if its a viable option. It might have side rooms or be useful for music or choir practice. I did say community centres and a few other places
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Class contact time in Ireland is one of the highest in Europe./QUOTE] Just in relation to this Teacher contact hours New Zealand have 16 hours more, Australia about 36 less thereabouts, US about 99 hours more thereabouts. The Department tend to look to the Finnish model for guidance thought import ideas from UK, which have been tried and discarded. Costa Rica 1 188.00 Chile 1 063.47 Latvia 1 020.00 United States 1 004.37 Colombia 1 000.00 Netherlands 930.00 New Zealand 921.60Ireland 905.00 France 900.00 Spain 880.00 Australia 869.57 Israel 842.54 Luxembourg 809.60 Germany 799.54 Canada 797.14 Switzerland 784.75 Denmark 784.00 Slovak Republic 783.10 Mexico 780.00 Austria 779.40 Portugal 774.00 Italy 754.60 Norway 741.00 Japan 739.08 Turkey 720.00 Finland 676.80 Korea 674.64 Greece 663.75 Hungary 648.00 Slovenia 627.00 Iceland 623.88 Czech Republic 617.10 Lithuania 612.00 Estonia 584.80 Russia 561.00 Poland 560.70 Now lets look at educational standings The key findings of the 2018 assessments include: Ireland ranks 4th out of 36 OECD countries and 3rd out of 27 EU countries for reading literacy Ireland ranks 8th out of 77 countries/regions involved in PISA 2018 for reading literacy[1] in reading, Ireland has significantly fewer low-performing students (11.8% below level 2) and significantly more high performers (12.1% at levels 5 and 6) than the OECD average PISA takes place every three years and aims to measure how well 15 year-old students are performing in three areas – reading, mathematics and science. The key findings of the 2018 assessments include: Ireland ranks 4th out of 36 OECD countries and 3rd out of 27 EU countries for reading literacy Ireland ranks 8th out of 77 countries/regions involved in PISA 2018 for reading literacy[1] in reading, Ireland has significantly fewer low-performing students (11.8% below level 2) and significantly more high performers (12.1% at levels 5 and 6) than the OECD average PISA results show the difference in performance between schools in Ireland is lower than the OECD in Ireland, the difference between schools in student performance in reading literacy is less than half of what it is, on average, across OECD countries[2] post-primary schools in Ireland can therefore be considered relatively equitable, as well as having above average performance in the three assessment domains “Irish students have extremely high standards when it comes to reading, among the best there is. The number of low achieving students is among the lowest in the 77 countries tested. “It is an envious position to be in and credit must go to the education initiatives being promoted by the department like the National Strategy on Literacy and Numeracy for Learning and Life (2011-2020) and how these are adopted by our schools, thanks to the dedication of our teachers. Only 2% of the Irish students taking the PISA 2018 test had experienced the new science curriculum. The 2021 round of PISA will provide a better estimation of the extent to which the Junior Cycle changes in science are effective. Other findings from PISA 2018 Ireland has a lower percentage of low-performing students in all three domains than on average across OECD countries girls perform better than boys in reading, with a difference of 23.2 score points[3] Ireland’s performance in science and mathematics has remained relatively stable – above the OECD average scores – between 2015 and 2018 cycles girls perform slightly better than boys in science but the results are not considered statistically significant in science, students ranked 17th out of 37 OECD countries, 11th out of 28 EU countries and 22nd out of 78 participating countries/regions Ireland has a lower than average number of low performing students in science in mathematics, Irish students ranked 16th out of 37 OECD countries and 21st out of 78 participating countries/regions Ireland has a lower than average number of low performing students in maths It seems internationally we are doing ok. There are always improvements to be made and that is what we strive to do. Holidays are arranged differently around the world to suit the particular country's circumstances. Holidays also take into account the children's wellbeing or do you think they don't need a break?https://data.oecd.org/teachers/teaching-hours.htmhttps://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/...OECD%20average
khalessi wrote: » Back to money. The government for the Health services were all over the papers about hiring hotels as drop down cetres for hospitals. Have you seen them suggest same for schools when for primary it could a good option? Split classes apart from fact staff where would they get them.
khalessi wrote: » jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Class contact time in Ireland is one of the highest in Europe./QUOTE] Just in relation to this Teacher contact hours New Zealand have 16 hours more, Australia about 36 less thereabouts, US about 99 hours more thereabouts. The Department tend to look to the Finnish model for guidance thought import ideas from UK, which have been tried and discarded. Costa Rica 1 188.00 Chile 1 063.47 Latvia 1 020.00 United States 1 004.37 Colombia 1 000.00 Netherlands 930.00 New Zealand 921.60Ireland 905.00 France 900.00 Spain 880.00 Australia 869.57 Israel 842.54 Luxembourg 809.60 Germany 799.54 Canada 797.14 Switzerland 784.75 Denmark 784.00 Slovak Republic 783.10 Mexico 780.00 Austria 779.40 Portugal 774.00 Italy 754.60 Norway 741.00 Japan 739.08 Turkey 720.00 Finland 676.80 Korea 674.64 Greece 663.75 Hungary 648.00 Slovenia 627.00 Iceland 623.88 Czech Republic 617.10 Lithuania 612.00 Estonia 584.80 Russia 561.00 Poland 560.70 Now lets look at educational standings The key findings of the 2018 assessments include: Ireland ranks 4th out of 36 OECD countries and 3rd out of 27 EU countries for reading literacy Ireland ranks 8th out of 77 countries/regions involved in PISA 2018 for reading literacy[1] in reading, Ireland has significantly fewer low-performing students (11.8% below level 2) and significantly more high performers (12.1% at levels 5 and 6) than the OECD average PISA takes place every three years and aims to measure how well 15 year-old students are performing in three areas – reading, mathematics and science. The key findings of the 2018 assessments include: Ireland ranks 4th out of 36 OECD countries and 3rd out of 27 EU countries for reading literacy Ireland ranks 8th out of 77 countries/regions involved in PISA 2018 for reading literacy[1] in reading, Ireland has significantly fewer low-performing students (11.8% below level 2) and significantly more high performers (12.1% at levels 5 and 6) than the OECD average PISA results show the difference in performance between schools in Ireland is lower than the OECD in Ireland, the difference between schools in student performance in reading literacy is less than half of what it is, on average, across OECD countries[2] post-primary schools in Ireland can therefore be considered relatively equitable, as well as having above average performance in the three assessment domains “Irish students have extremely high standards when it comes to reading, among the best there is. The number of low achieving students is among the lowest in the 77 countries tested. “It is an envious position to be in and credit must go to the education initiatives being promoted by the department like the National Strategy on Literacy and Numeracy for Learning and Life (2011-2020) and how these are adopted by our schools, thanks to the dedication of our teachers. Only 2% of the Irish students taking the PISA 2018 test had experienced the new science curriculum. The 2021 round of PISA will provide a better estimation of the extent to which the Junior Cycle changes in science are effective. Other findings from PISA 2018 Ireland has a lower percentage of low-performing students in all three domains than on average across OECD countries girls perform better than boys in reading, with a difference of 23.2 score points[3] Ireland’s performance in science and mathematics has remained relatively stable – above the OECD average scores – between 2015 and 2018 cycles girls perform slightly better than boys in science but the results are not considered statistically significant in science, students ranked 17th out of 37 OECD countries, 11th out of 28 EU countries and 22nd out of 78 participating countries/regions Ireland has a lower than average number of low performing students in science in mathematics, Irish students ranked 16th out of 37 OECD countries and 21st out of 78 participating countries/regions Ireland has a lower than average number of low performing students in maths It seems internationally we are doing ok. There are always improvements to be made and that is what we strive to do. Holidays are arranged differently around the world to suit the particular country's circumstances. Holidays also take into account the children's wellbeing or do you think they don't need a break?https://data.oecd.org/teachers/teaching-hours.htmhttps://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/...OECD%20average Absolutely, the Irish education system is underfunded and over performs on the international stage, find me another department that that is true of. We have a world leading rate of school completion too,something to be proud of as a society. All while spending a nice bit less than the OECD average on education despite being one of the richest countries in the word. By contrast our health system is one of the most expensive in the world and when this crisis hit has the lowest number of emergency beds per capita. I think for primary schools renting out spaces could be a definite option but I don't see the funding being put in place or any indication of centralization.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » The virsus had stressed healthcare services in other countries and we were responding and preparing for unknown spread. 8 months later, we have know a bit more about what we are dealing with. The healthcare where frontline dealing g with patients and the hospitals and patients high risk. The schools closed and everyone stayed at home as was government advice at the time. How you can compare teachers position to healthcare care at the start of an unprecedented virus is mind boggling? Government approves over €375 million support package and publishes Roadmap to enable safe return of schools
Alrigghtythen wrote: » The could use the rooms on a Saturday when the school is empty for planning and take off the time between their classes during the week
Elliejo wrote: » Is there any way we could all just ignore Alrighttythen? After all, none of us can come remotely near his/her experience, knowledge, know-it-all, inability to answer a straight question, refusal to accept any legitimate concerns, absolute certainty that all we have to do is hire out extra rooms, to be staffed by as yet unknown extra teachers, paid for by the non-existent budgets that all BOM and schools just have sitting in the account? Cloud cuckoo land comes to mind. I really cannot understand why he/she isn't the chief adviser to the government and DES as he/she has all the answers to everything.
alroley wrote: » I have a rough weekly plan, but most of my planning is done class to class each day. If the students are having a great time debating something then I won't put an end to that even if I had a second thing planned for that class. So, planning changes after each class. Doing it all on a Saturday wouldn't work for me anyway. I am sure a lot of other teachers plan the way I do.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Yes, of course you adapt your plan in class. I dont think the poster was including that in the 10 hours of planning. As it's not done in addition to contact hours but during contact hours.
Elliejo wrote: » I have. Unfortunately people quote you.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » You can press the ignore button. Why would they take it out of the non existent budget when the government has provided funding?
alroley wrote: » No, I am talking about that I'll have a rough plan saying I'll cover a certain section of ratios with 5th years this week and these are the activities I'll do. During the week (not during contact time) I'll prep the resources needed. During school (non-contact time) and after school I'll actually do the detailed plans for the next day. I find it a waste of time to do detailed plans for a whole week all at once when so much can change between class 1 of the week to class 5 of the week.
am_zarathustra wrote: » I think for primary schools renting out spaces could be a definite option but I don't see the funding being put in place or any indication of centralization.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Show us in the document where the funding is allocated for 3rd party accommodations?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » A secondary school teacher has 22 teaching contact hours a week, less if they have exam years.
Bananaleaf wrote: » That 'less' time you speak of is spent working, but to be fair that is irrelevant to this discussion because your point is that it isn't spent in front of a class of students, which is true. Therefore, that is 40mins out of our 22hrs that we are not having to worry about social distancing. So, you would be right if you were saying that teachers have less than 22hrs in front of students if they teach junior cycle. However. The devil is in the detail. A teacher has a contract for 22 teaching contact hours. These are not a teacher's only contact hours. Under the S&S (Substitution and Supervision) scheme, teachers are required to provide up to (but not to exceed) 43 hours of additional cover per year - supervising break and lunch or covering teachers who are absent. Due to low levels of absenteeism, many teachers would never have hit 43hrs in a year, but this year they possibly will this year, meaning that they will have an additional 1.5hrs (if my maths is correct ) of class contact time, so more than 22, rather than less. Edited to add link re: S&S: https://www.tui.ie/second-level-hours-meetings/second-level-supervision-and-substitution.13097.html
am_zarathustra wrote: » We ran out of all Substitution of our S and S by Christmas last year, every teacher was done. God knows how early it'll be this year
Bananaleaf wrote: » Wow! Our school is quite large which definitely helps - I've never reached the 43 hours (well, lol, not officially anyway) Just thinking too - I said a couple of pages back that the average student probably comes into contact with 10 different teachers each week in PP, but I was forgetting about all of the subs :eek: the true number will be much higher! Also, what if subs are being shared by schools?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Only of you tell me how much your school got quoted to rent a community space.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Presume teaching staff will be prepping in their cars when they're not teaching If a staff room, or work room, is open it wud be at reduced capacity and that's for those who are happy to be in a room with other adults for 40mins to an hour or more
khalessi wrote: » Where do they put it. the kids are being segregated when using the outside spaces. Do they pop it up and down between pe and breaks?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » . Or the school could buy a marquee for less than a grand and set it up for prep.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » The yards are bigger than 6m x 6m. Good ventilation and the nphet recommends them for use.https://www.omearacamping.com/6m-x-6m-pe-grade-commercial-party-tent-marquee-741-p.asp?gclid=Cj0KCQjw6575BRCQARIsAMp-ksMiJtRPN1WDXTITqLoTjgbpEKBtD4akY2RLe0nwqHemUK826hz1iLQaAivGEALw_wcB
wirelessdude01 wrote: » I can just imagine a heap of class tests going flying in the wind.
khalessi wrote: » But draughty in winter, how about we get all the staff members to sell their cars and buy camper vans. They dont take up too much space and come with a toilet and table for planning. Great for social distancing!! And when morale is low they can comebyah in the staff car park. be great!!!
