alroley wrote: » I have a rough weekly plan, but most of my planning is done class to class each day. If the students are having a great time debating something then I won't put an end to that even if I had a second thing planned for that class. So, planning changes after each class. Doing it all on a Saturday wouldn't work for me anyway. I am sure a lot of other teachers plan the way I do.
Elliejo wrote: » Is there any way we could all just ignore Alrighttythen? After all, none of us can come remotely near his/her experience, knowledge, know-it-all, inability to answer a straight question, refusal to accept any legitimate concerns, absolute certainty that all we have to do is hire out extra rooms, to be staffed by as yet unknown extra teachers, paid for by the non-existent budgets that all BOM and schools just have sitting in the account? Cloud cuckoo land comes to mind. I really cannot understand why he/she isn't the chief adviser to the government and DES as he/she has all the answers to everything.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » The could use the rooms on a Saturday when the school is empty for planning and take off the time between their classes during the week
Alrigghtythen wrote: » The virsus had stressed healthcare services in other countries and we were responding and preparing for unknown spread. 8 months later, we have know a bit more about what we are dealing with. The healthcare where frontline dealing g with patients and the hospitals and patients high risk. The schools closed and everyone stayed at home as was government advice at the time. How you can compare teachers position to healthcare care at the start of an unprecedented virus is mind boggling? Government approves over €375 million support package and publishes Roadmap to enable safe return of schools
khalessi wrote: » jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Class contact time in Ireland is one of the highest in Europe./QUOTE] Just in relation to this Teacher contact hours New Zealand have 16 hours more, Australia about 36 less thereabouts, US about 99 hours more thereabouts. The Department tend to look to the Finnish model for guidance thought import ideas from UK, which have been tried and discarded. Costa Rica 1 188.00 Chile 1 063.47 Latvia 1 020.00 United States 1 004.37 Colombia 1 000.00 Netherlands 930.00 New Zealand 921.60Ireland 905.00 France 900.00 Spain 880.00 Australia 869.57 Israel 842.54 Luxembourg 809.60 Germany 799.54 Canada 797.14 Switzerland 784.75 Denmark 784.00 Slovak Republic 783.10 Mexico 780.00 Austria 779.40 Portugal 774.00 Italy 754.60 Norway 741.00 Japan 739.08 Turkey 720.00 Finland 676.80 Korea 674.64 Greece 663.75 Hungary 648.00 Slovenia 627.00 Iceland 623.88 Czech Republic 617.10 Lithuania 612.00 Estonia 584.80 Russia 561.00 Poland 560.70 Now lets look at educational standings The key findings of the 2018 assessments include: Ireland ranks 4th out of 36 OECD countries and 3rd out of 27 EU countries for reading literacy Ireland ranks 8th out of 77 countries/regions involved in PISA 2018 for reading literacy[1] in reading, Ireland has significantly fewer low-performing students (11.8% below level 2) and significantly more high performers (12.1% at levels 5 and 6) than the OECD average PISA takes place every three years and aims to measure how well 15 year-old students are performing in three areas – reading, mathematics and science. The key findings of the 2018 assessments include: Ireland ranks 4th out of 36 OECD countries and 3rd out of 27 EU countries for reading literacy Ireland ranks 8th out of 77 countries/regions involved in PISA 2018 for reading literacy[1] in reading, Ireland has significantly fewer low-performing students (11.8% below level 2) and significantly more high performers (12.1% at levels 5 and 6) than the OECD average PISA results show the difference in performance between schools in Ireland is lower than the OECD in Ireland, the difference between schools in student performance in reading literacy is less than half of what it is, on average, across OECD countries[2] post-primary schools in Ireland can therefore be considered relatively equitable, as well as having above average performance in the three assessment domains “Irish students have extremely high standards when it comes to reading, among the best there is. The number of low achieving students is among the lowest in the 77 countries tested. “It is an envious position to be in and credit must go to the education initiatives being promoted by the department like the National Strategy on Literacy and Numeracy for Learning and Life (2011-2020) and how these are adopted by our schools, thanks to the dedication of our teachers. Only 2% of the Irish students taking the PISA 2018 test had experienced the new science curriculum. The 2021 round of PISA will provide a better estimation of the extent to which the Junior Cycle changes in science are effective. Other findings from PISA 2018 Ireland has a lower percentage of low-performing students in all three domains than on average across OECD countries girls perform better than boys in reading, with a difference of 23.2 score points[3] Ireland’s performance in science and mathematics has remained relatively stable – above the OECD average scores – between 2015 and 2018 cycles girls perform slightly better than boys in science but the results are not considered statistically significant in science, students ranked 17th out of 37 OECD countries, 11th out of 28 EU countries and 22nd out of 78 participating countries/regions Ireland has a lower than average number of low performing students in science in mathematics, Irish students ranked 16th out of 37 OECD countries and 21st out of 78 participating countries/regions Ireland has a lower than average number of low performing students in maths It seems internationally we are doing ok. There are always improvements to be made and that is what we strive to do. Holidays are arranged differently around the world to suit the particular country's circumstances. Holidays also take into account the children's wellbeing or do you think they don't need a break?https://data.oecd.org/teachers/teaching-hours.htmhttps://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/...OECD%20average Absolutely, the Irish education system is underfunded and over performs on the international stage, find me another department that that is true of. We have a world leading rate of school completion too,something to be proud of as a society. All while spending a nice bit less than the OECD average on education despite being one of the richest countries in the word. By contrast our health system is one of the most expensive in the world and when this crisis hit has the lowest number of emergency beds per capita. I think for primary schools renting out spaces could be a definite option but I don't see the funding being put in place or any indication of centralization.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Class contact time in Ireland is one of the highest in Europe./QUOTE] Just in relation to this Teacher contact hours New Zealand have 16 hours more, Australia about 36 less thereabouts, US about 99 hours more thereabouts. The Department tend to look to the Finnish model for guidance thought import ideas from UK, which have been tried and discarded. Costa Rica 1 188.00 Chile 1 063.47 Latvia 1 020.00 United States 1 004.37 Colombia 1 000.00 Netherlands 930.00 New Zealand 921.60Ireland 905.00 France 900.00 Spain 880.00 Australia 869.57 Israel 842.54 Luxembourg 809.60 Germany 799.54 Canada 797.14 Switzerland 784.75 Denmark 784.00 Slovak Republic 783.10 Mexico 780.00 Austria 779.40 Portugal 774.00 Italy 754.60 Norway 741.00 Japan 739.08 Turkey 720.00 Finland 676.80 Korea 674.64 Greece 663.75 Hungary 648.00 Slovenia 627.00 Iceland 623.88 Czech Republic 617.10 Lithuania 612.00 Estonia 584.80 Russia 561.00 Poland 560.70 Now lets look at educational standings The key findings of the 2018 assessments include: Ireland ranks 4th out of 36 OECD countries and 3rd out of 27 EU countries for reading literacy Ireland ranks 8th out of 77 countries/regions involved in PISA 2018 for reading literacy[1] in reading, Ireland has significantly fewer low-performing students (11.8% below level 2) and significantly more high performers (12.1% at levels 5 and 6) than the OECD average PISA takes place every three years and aims to measure how well 15 year-old students are performing in three areas – reading, mathematics and science. The key findings of the 2018 assessments include: Ireland ranks 4th out of 36 OECD countries and 3rd out of 27 EU countries for reading literacy Ireland ranks 8th out of 77 countries/regions involved in PISA 2018 for reading literacy[1] in reading, Ireland has significantly fewer low-performing students (11.8% below level 2) and significantly more high performers (12.1% at levels 5 and 6) than the OECD average PISA results show the difference in performance between schools in Ireland is lower than the OECD in Ireland, the difference between schools in student performance in reading literacy is less than half of what it is, on average, across OECD countries[2] post-primary schools in Ireland can therefore be considered relatively equitable, as well as having above average performance in the three assessment domains “Irish students have extremely high standards when it comes to reading, among the best there is. The number of low achieving students is among the lowest in the 77 countries tested. “It is an envious position to be in and credit must go to the education initiatives being promoted by the department like the National Strategy on Literacy and Numeracy for Learning and Life (2011-2020) and how these are adopted by our schools, thanks to the dedication of our teachers. Only 2% of the Irish students taking the PISA 2018 test had experienced the new science curriculum. The 2021 round of PISA will provide a better estimation of the extent to which the Junior Cycle changes in science are effective. Other findings from PISA 2018 Ireland has a lower percentage of low-performing students in all three domains than on average across OECD countries girls perform better than boys in reading, with a difference of 23.2 score points[3] Ireland’s performance in science and mathematics has remained relatively stable – above the OECD average scores – between 2015 and 2018 cycles girls perform slightly better than boys in science but the results are not considered statistically significant in science, students ranked 17th out of 37 OECD countries, 11th out of 28 EU countries and 22nd out of 78 participating countries/regions Ireland has a lower than average number of low performing students in science in mathematics, Irish students ranked 16th out of 37 OECD countries and 21st out of 78 participating countries/regions Ireland has a lower than average number of low performing students in maths It seems internationally we are doing ok. There are always improvements to be made and that is what we strive to do. Holidays are arranged differently around the world to suit the particular country's circumstances. Holidays also take into account the children's wellbeing or do you think they don't need a break?https://data.oecd.org/teachers/teaching-hours.htmhttps://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/...OECD%20average
khalessi wrote: » Back to money. The government for the Health services were all over the papers about hiring hotels as drop down cetres for hospitals. Have you seen them suggest same for schools when for primary it could a good option? Split classes apart from fact staff where would they get them.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » You ask what other locations and then you say I've been telling you other locations. Read the other locations I already gave then? * I never said the local church, but hey if its a viable option. It might have side rooms or be useful for music or choir practice. I did say community centres and a few other places
am_zarathustra wrote: » What other location, all the rooms are being used remember? sure you are telling us to rent out the local church or whatever. I cannot leave the site as I am a Year Head. Our current prep room might fit 4 people with SD at a stretch. Hopefully the practical rooms won't need to be timetabled all classes but I'm not really sure what staff will do in between classes for planning. I imagine it will vary massively depending on schools
am_zarathustra wrote: » What other location, all the rooms are being used remember? sure you are telling us to rent out the local church or whatever.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Can you not do your prep and correction in another location other than in the class with all the students present? Theres a virsus going around.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » Class contact time in Ireland is one of the highest in Europe. Also class contact time isn't the only work done. Lessons don't prepare themselves and classwork doesn't correct itself
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Made up by the tui? Lol
am_zarathustra wrote: » I taught about 24 contact hours last year along with being an AP1 so I was Year Head to 2 years, in charge of Assessment across the school and ICT. I also coach 2 teams in the school. I had 2 leaving cert classes. The correcting for them alone would have been around 10 hours per week. This would be more for an English teacher in fairness so I won't complain too much. Roughly for every hour you teach you can assume 1 hour of prep and correcting, more at the start of your career where you wouldn't have that much experience and things would take longer. And of course I am a practical subject teachers so also equipment and chemicals need preparing. So what do you do? Can I have a breakdown of exactly how you spend your hours every day? I worked in private industry and in a university. I work longer hours now
Alrigghtythen wrote: » It's an odd question but I'll humour you So do you believe that face to face contact time is all teaching is? No
khalessi wrote: » I am just asking a question and looking for a yes or no answer. Simple
Alrigghtythen wrote: » How many class contact hours a week do you have? I believe some are looking in to hiring the convention centre. It'll be interesting to see if the secure.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Where did I say that? That's an odd conclusion for you to jump to. Is the concern not the amount of time the teacher will be in the poorly ventilated room with the students? I'm just quantifying the time teachers are in the poorly ventilated room with the students.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » 46% less that a standard 39 hour week for most public facing roles.
khalessi wrote: » So do you believe that face to face contact time is all teaching is?
Greensoup wrote: » I have 2 leaving cert classes and 2 3rd year classes as part of my timetable....I have 32 forty minute class periods per week which is 21.3 teaching hours. The Assisstant Principal 1 are people like year heads...some of their 22 hours is set aside for year head admin such as absent notes etc so they have a few hours less class teaching for this.
Blondini wrote: » I know right! A lot less. And better holidays.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » 22 hours contact time, that's a lot less than the pre school workers or any public facing role
wirelessdude01 wrote: » DCU and UCD are fully online until Christmas or so I read a while back.
Oranage2 wrote: » Any news when the universities might open?
