Bananaleaf wrote: » I'm only dipping back into this thread so apologies if I am mistaking you here, but by saying the above are you suggesting that the rise in cases had less to do with the non-wearing of masks and more to do with the fact that the teachers were teaching multiple classes (ie: didn't operate in pods)? If that is what you are saying, (and maybe you get this, but some here don't seem to) THIS is why post primary teachers are on here "moaning" that it won't work for them. We can't operate with a pod system at second level, it is impossible to do that. I get that masks aren't the magic solution, but, can I get a yes or no answer off you for this: in the absence of social distancing and/or a 'pod' system, are you saying that wearing no masks would be more beneficial than wearing them in a secondary school?
s1ippy wrote: » Most of the staff at the camp above didn't get infected and they did require them to wear masks.
Unwind wrote: » At this stage, I think they're going to go full steam ahead, everyone back to school full-time in full classrooms, regardless of the risks.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/have-sex-online-to-limit-spread-of-virus-advises-hse-39417584.html They are even advocating that sex goes online now!!!
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » The poster I replied to implied that the surge was caused by the schools abandoning mask wearing and that we would see the same here if kids didn't wear them. I was pointing out, in the case that they mentioned, it was actually due to teachers infecting students across multiple classes. I don't think there was any one factor involved but it probably wasn't just due to the fact that masks weren't being worn. Masks can actually cause more trouble if they aren't used correctly, I think weighing it up their benefits would be questionable in a school setting.
appledrop wrote: » My son has gone back to creche + rules are unbelievable(in a good way, ). He has shoes that cant leave the creche. No bags are allowed + spare change of clothes left all time in creche. Also must wear fresh clothes everyday. He is in a small pod max about 8 kids. They all play together bur have own room + dont mix with any other pods. Each pod has staged drop off + pick up times to limit interaction. Basicially if child gets sick they can close one pod easily + should be no spread to other pods. Meanwhile in primary 30 kids all together in one room, wearing same uniform for days on end + how the hell do you mange diffetent drop offs for 15-20 classes ? Meanwhile at 2nd level could have 750-1000 in a school with 10 subject choices mixing multiple times a day/,week. You just can't limit it to pods at secondary due to subject choice. Then what about practical subjects like home economics, woodwork? An absolute nighmare. I 100% believe the schools must reopen for well being of students but this isn't way to do it. Should be strict regulations like for reopening of creches.
jlm29 wrote: » In fairness, this is easily observed. Since face masks became compulsory, or strongly encouraged, or whatever they are now, people are ignoring the hand sanitiser on the way into shops, standing on top of each other, coughing all over each other, and shops are definitely more crowded. I almost went into my local centra on Saturday, but I just looked in the door, it was packed with adults and children alike, just after GAA training finished. Far too many people to be safely in a small shop, but nobody seemed bothered, because the adults had masks on.
xhomelezz wrote: » More to do with ignorance and stupidity of some, wouldn't blame masks for that.
drunkmonkey wrote: » Masks have given a false sense of security. Nobody is using them correctly. People are back to browsing in shops, giving an hour in Lidl wandering about touching everything after pulling their mask up from their chin before entering the store. This was always a danger with mask expressed by NPHET and it's playing out as predicted. Wash your hands, keep your distance is still the go to advice not put on mask incorrectly.
xhomelezz wrote: » Anyone who is not able to follow easy procedure of wearing a mask is hardly following any other measures either. That's my observation, so we are back to ignorance and stupidity.
drunkmonkey wrote: » There not simple procedures, I've yet to see someone use them correctly while following the basic advice. You need to stand outside a shop for a few minutes to see what's actually happening.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » What about FWB, I wonder are they allowed
xhomelezz wrote: » I don't know where you live, but this is not happening here at least not on the scale you suggesting. It's more about clowns walking in without masks, skipping hand sanitizing and having a chat at the middle of the shop. Yet again nothing to do with masks, so back again to stupidity and ignorance.
wirelessdude01 wrote: » We tried implementing outdoor and indoor shoes in our school last winter to try and keep it cleaner during the day. The amount of flimsy and silly excuses we got were crazy.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Yes ignorant and stupid people will always be so, but it's not always the case. The amount of people (adults) I have to tell many times a day to put on their mask in the first place, or please pull the mask up to cover your nose, please pull the mask down to cover your chin, the wire goes to the nose, press the wire, its on back to front, your ear loop is snapped etc etc they aren't all dumbasses either. Also I have found that elderly people and children can struggle with masks too.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » The agenda is clear from a couple of posters. Blame masks. People have gotten far too relaxed and we're headed for further restrictions. A mile-long tailback into Dingle yesterday with tourist cars. Popular tourist spots packed because people haven't imagination to pick a different spot where there wud be more space. In any shop I've been in, you'd be lucky if half are wearing a mask. Funnily tho, vast majority are wearing them in Tesco. Probably because the precautions there are so visible and properly run with a man on the door insisting on hand sanitiser. If there were on-the-spot fines on masks from Gardaí, people wud wear them. It's a shame but we're only heading for further restrictions and schools closing soon after they open. The guidelines in society or at school can't be open to interpretation. No 'recommended' practices. Clear instructions with enforceable penalties are all people understand when it comes to most things.
xhomelezz wrote: » The other guy sounds like he doesn't do anything else apart from standing outside the shop and observing everyone with mask not able to do it correctly. Seriously
drunkmonkey wrote: » Seriously go stand outside any shop and observe. Who's the stupid and ignorant one, the mask wearer who follows no other protocols or the person who doesn't wear a mask but follows all other guidelines. You make out people who don't wear a mask are stupid, that's just good old fashioned racism.
average_runner wrote: » There is no requirement to wear masks in supermarkets, it's a guideline so gardai cant fine some one.
jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: » No 'recommended' practices. Clear instructions with enforceable penalties are all people understand when it comes to most things.
