Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Are there any European schools that have full mandatory mask wearing for pupils in schools? From what I can tell there aren't. They are mandatory in some countries secondary schools in certain circumstances e.g moving through communal areas or similar to our own guidance where SD can't be maintained. But I don't know if any European country has a blanket compulsory mask wearing rule for pupils in schools. We need to be careful and take a balanced approach to it. Schools have been open for many weeks across Europe and it hasn't led to a significant increase in cases in those settings.
helpful wrote: » Talking to a crèche worker recently who said that everything just seems normal and she isn’t sure why the teachers are making such a big deal out of it. I’m not sure what her numbers are but I know in preschool the ratio is 1 adult for 11 children. Preschool aged children would be less likely to comprehend social distancing so if they’re doing it I’m sure children in formal education will cope. They’ll need to be told the rules and a strict adherence enforced.
am_zarathustra wrote: » This is worth a look for anyone who would actually like to see a comparable plan to ours in action.......take a look in the future. "Israeli schools reopened in May, not with the under-9s as originally planned, but with all ages together. When a heat wave swelled temperatures to over 100 degrees Fahrenheit, mask requirements were dropped. Outbreaks followed quickly, causing a new shutdown. Based on UNESCO and Israeli government data, around 26,000 of Israel’s roughly 120,000 teachers are positive for the coronavirus or in isolation. Siegal Sadetzki, Israel’s top health official, resigned, claiming her advice had been ignored."https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/30/open-schools-exception-not-rule-387507 They started with masks, slow and steady and rates remained low. Then they abandoned masks and they had a massive surge. Over a third of all cases in Isreal are directly to do with educational settings. I really dont want to bring the kids back to send them home 5 weeks later because we didn't get them to wear masks. That just seems stupid. We know it will help so just do it.
drunkmonkey wrote: » Masks are a tiny part of the equation, they do not prevent covid. The original and main health instructions are still the best but are now being completely ignored. Wash your hands, keep a 2 meter distance, dispose of single use masks after use, wash your reusable mask regularly. This is not happening since masks were introduced, santaiser seems to have disappeared, we are and will continue to get increased cases without following the basics. NPHET was reluctant to introduce masks as an advisory but eventually buckled to media pressure. It's been a huge mistake. We have no plan B now, Goggles are next watch the media start to bang that drum shortly. Covid begins and ends at our borders if Government are serious about schools mandatory quarantine has to be introduced, there's no other option. How in the hell are schools going to control proper use of ppe, nobody is using masks properly.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Masks also give a false sense of security which can lead to people ignoring the basics. They probably are contributing to the problem at this stage.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Who cant cope? The rest of the country and department can cope, so who cant?
drunkmonkey wrote: » The one touching their mask. I can't see it working, masks or no masks. Some schools will be fine as there in very low risk areas, Dublin, Kildare, Wicklow, Louth, Meath and Monaghan are the risky counties for teachers.
downthemiddle wrote: » Masks are probably contributing to the problem at this stage? I'm sure you will produce some EVIDENCE to support this assertion otherwise it is dangerous speculation.
Murple wrote: » Can't say I know of a single creche that has over 450 children in it. However I can think of at least 7 schools within a 5 mile radius of my own that have over 450 pupils and varying numbers of staff, minimum 25 staff per school. There is far more to consider and far more to organise in a primary or secondary school than there is in a creche.
Scoondal wrote: » People are wearing dirty masks. They might get sick by breathing in all that moist dirt. BUT WEAR A MASK.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » There's a reason why frontline healthcare workers receive training in the use of PPE.https://www.vernacare.com/news-hub/blog/posts/2020/may/covid-19-expert-advice-on-ppe/https://thehealthmania.com/paramedics-alert-about-incorrect-use-of-face-masks-that-increases-the-coronavirus-risk/4152/https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/how-to-wear-mask-properly-wellness-trnd/index.htmlhttps://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/paramedics-say-weve-been-wearing-18682357https://www.ajmc.com/view/during-covid19-cloth-masks-do-more-good-than-harm-authors-say-in-iannalsihttps://www.thenational.ae/uae/health/coronavirus-face-masks-may-do-more-harm-than-good-emirati-health-ministry-says-1.986379 The benefits of wearing a mask are still being disputed.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/28/do-face-masks-work-coronavirus-science/
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Tracing found that infected teachers who taught multiple classes infected students in each class. Probably a lot more to that than no masks = surge in cases.
Scoondal wrote: » Normally, by 3 August, I would have my son's books and stationery bought. I haven't bought anything yet. That shows my lack of confidence of schools re-opening soon.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » People wearing them incorrectly, putting them on and removing them incorrectly, fiddling and pulling at them, reusing them, not washing them. Wearing them around their neck, not covering their chin, not covering their nose, hanging half off their ears. Thinking if they are wearing a mask then they are fine and don't have to follow the basics. Wearing a face mask incorrectly can do more harm than good and can actually increase the likely hood of being infected.
brian78 wrote: » 260 kids and teens infected with COVID-19 at Georgia sleepaway camp
downthemiddle wrote: » Yet again your “evidence” is more speculation on your behalf. You are now claiming to know what people think. Psychic Fringey!!!
