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How will schools be able to go back in September?

shoppergal

Just wondering if anyone can give any insight into how schools could safely re-open in September?

Everyone I'm talking to is saying they won't be back until September but in my head I'm wondering how they'll re-open even in September? The virus will still be there with a vaccine still months away at that stage.

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wirelessdude01

antix80 wrote: »

Permit eu teachers. Ditch the irish lang requirement. Ditch the masters of education. And cut the dole.

Everything will click into place.

And there's plenty of grads besides all that .

Irish language not required at secondary level unless an Irish language teacher.

emmamav

antix80 wrote: »

There hasn't been. The unions create these crises. One minute they tell us there are no jobs for subs, then that there are no subs for jobs.

In my school we couldn't fill a post that was for the whole academic year. No one applied.

wirelessdude01

emmamav wrote: »

In my school we couldn't fill a post that was for the whole academic year. No one applied.

The union rep intercepted all the postal applications and also hacked the email system!!

Blondini

I am a teacher, and know how schools operate, so as it stands, I won't be sending them back.

I am not going to take part in the government's risky game while they themselves socially distance in the convention centre.

wirelessdude01

Blondini wrote: »

I am a teacher, and know how schools operate, so as it stands, I won't be sending them back.

I am not going to take part in the government's risky game while they themselves socially distance in the convention centre.

Are you taking time out as well?

Alrigghtythen

Blondini wrote: »

I am a teacher, and know how schools operate, so as it stands, I won't be sending them back.

I am not going to take part in the government's risky game while they themselves socially distance in the convention centre.

I know the teachers at my childrenschool are copoerating with each other and the guidelines. They really have the childrens best interests at heart.

Blondini

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Are you taking time out as well?

Absolutely.

road_high

Blondini wrote: »

I am a teacher, and know how schools operate, so as it stands, I won't be sending them back.

I am not going to take part in the government's risky game while they themselves socially distance in the convention centre.

Will you also not be working and not taking a salary then?
Course you have the choice to homeschool which will be a balance between all your kids will miss out on educationally, socially and developmentally vs alleged safety from one particular virus that in all likelihood is of little danger to them. As is your right of course

byhookorbycrook

antix80 wrote: »

Kids are social, that's why headlice is still a problem.

They're typically v low risk, and their parents are typically low risk.

No more guff about "but what if grandparents have to babysit".. Plenty of unemployed people are capable of babysitting.

Send them back already!

Plenty of unemployed graduate teachers are able to step up if teachers choose to quarantine.

Children spread Covid at least as much do adults . Good luck with the supposed subs , they are as Rare as hen’s teeth ! The system had been propped up by retired teachers , who won’t risk it this year

JizzBeans

Personally, I don't really care how the government re-open schools. I work in a DEIS school and the standard of hygiene is already very low, mostly from the dirt poorer families and "disadvantaged background" folk. Not to mention the behavior, there will be ZERO social distancing, cough etiquette or hand hygiene.

The government can call it what they like, it will be a return to school like any September.

Alrigghtythen

road_high wrote: »

Will you also not be working and not taking a salary then?
Course you have the choice to homeschool which will be a balance between all your kids will miss out on educationally, socially and developmentally vs alleged safety from one particular virus that in all likelihood is of little danger to them. As is your right of course

I would think they intend to resign. It would take a hard neck to choose to stay at home and expect full wages

Blondini

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

I would think they intend to resign. It would take a hard neck to choose to stay at home and expect full wages

Like a jockeys boll0x.

screamer

Scared about sums it up. My kids are the most precious thing to me, and yet the guidelines to protect them from covid19 are less than any other section of society. I’m not decided whether I will send them back or not. I may home school them, because if anything happens to them I’d never forgive myself. My older kids have underlying health issues and my younger kids just too little to practise social upstanding or other stuff. Yes and I work full time but it’s something I would walk away from if I have to for my kids.

jam_mac_jam

Also, some people don't have the choice and have to work outside the home so the option of keeping kids at home is not available to them.

Not everyone works from home or can survive in one salary.

endacl

emmamav wrote: »

In my school we couldn't fill a post that was for the whole academic year. No one applied.

How many hours?

Spanish Eyes

I thought there was another thread dealing with going back to school.

Can't handle multiple threads on the same issue again, Groan.....

Minier81

screamer wrote: »

Scared about sums it up. My kids are the most precious thing to me, and yet the guidelines to protect them from covid19 are less than any other section of society. I’m not decided whether I will send them back or not. I may home school them, because if anything happens to them I’d never forgive myself. My older kids have underlying health issues and my younger kids just too little to practise social upstanding or other stuff. Yes and I work full time but it’s something I would walk away from if I have to for my kids.

They are not necessarily being treated differently to all, creches are operating using the pod system and without social distancing within their pod. They have been back since late June. I am not aware of any creche outbreaks.

Having said that I think feeling a bit scared is natural, especially if there is a health issue.

mloc123

Creches are open 5 weeks now with a single case reported... Which I read was due to the worker travelling, not the creche.

Blondini

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I thought there was another thread dealing with going back to school.

Can't handle multiple threads on the same issue again, Groan.....

This one was supposed to be from the parents perspective, but the few strange regulars from the other thread will no doubt hijack it unfortunately.

Alrigghtythen

mloc123 wrote: »

Creches are open 5 weeks now with a single case reported... Which I read was due to the worker travelling, not the creche.

Yes the way the creches have handled it seems very effective. That gives me confidence with sending my own back.

Beasty

Threads merged

emmamav

endacl wrote: »

How many hours?

22 covering a maternity leave for the year.

Edit - they ended up having to source someone doing a masters in the subject with no teaching experience or qualifications.

timmy_mallet

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

GAA is the same.

Question related to school matches but I personally don't expect to take place this year.

And yet the same kids will be playing football against each other at the weekend.

wirelessdude01

timmy_mallet wrote: »

And yet the same kids will be playing football against each other at the weekend.

Just my thoughts. We can't be seen to be implementing what the Govt want in the school building and then disregarding it for sport or other school activities.

What they do outside of school we don't concern ourselves with. We have to manage our own situation in school as best we can within the guidelines they have set us.

Some of these kids I manage outside of school.

deiseindublin

antix80 wrote: »

There hasn't been. The unions create these crises. One minute they tell us there are no jobs for subs, then that there are no subs for jobs.

Thanks for lightening up things, I needed the laugh.

deiseindublin

mloc123 wrote: »

Creches are open 5 weeks now with a single case reported... Which I read was due to the worker travelling, not the creche.

Do the creches have 30 kids with one childcare assistant? I thought their ratios were MUCH lower?

FishOnABike

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Work area in this context refers to the teacher desk and not the classroom. Especially important with shared work spaces in secondary now seeing the teachers won't have bases classrooms anymore.

I just cannot figure out how that is going to work.

There's higher and ordinary level Irish, English and Maths then a choice of one of three subjects in each of four non-core subject groups.

That's 648 (2*2*2*3*3*3*3) possible combinations of subject choices for a 5th or 6th year student. Most students will still have to move from room to room according to their subject choices. Only a handful are likely to be able to stay in a room from one subject to the next and even then are likely to have to move rooms for the subject after next.

Teachers not having a base room is only going to lead to both teachers and pupils having to move at change of class.

FishOnABike

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I’d love feedback on how parents feel sending their children back to classes where the 2m recommendation and PPE regulations are ignored .

All mine are in secondary school and I think the guidelines are an unworkable farce.

Schools may reopen but I think it will only be a matter of time before a number of outbreaks will force a major rethink on the level of public health measures needed to keep schools open and prevent them being contributing to or causing larger clusters.

xhomelezz

morebabies wrote: »

Is it possible to create a poll on your post? I'd be interested to see what the general feeling is too. All the health precautions Dr. Ronan Glynn advised this evening in his statement are set to be ignored according to the current government advice re: school reopening.
In answer to your question, no, I won't want to send my kids back as things stand at the moment.

Same here. Plan is pure bs. Not workable in timeline of 4 weeks. Way too many flaws. Unless we have foggers running while kids are in the classroom.

s1ippy

khalessi wrote: »

Most staffrooms are closed, we have been told that staff stay in a bubble mixing with the teachers of their year group only and the staff room closed.

I would be wrapping up and leaving the building during lunch for a brisk walk around the block with my flask of tea and sandwich. No way I would be going in and sitting with people in the staffroom (likely not to be your buddies, just whoever is on the same schedule with you) when I haven't had a non-distanced meal with any of my friends in months.

Teachers aren't paid enough money to spend their break listening to the vice principal who is too close to them, and spraying them with crumbs, pontificating at length about how things are so different for them now, even though they're still the exact same miserable tosser they always were.

The closer we get to September the angrier I am about how this has been mismanaged. I know the government gets blamed for everything generally but they really have completely and utterly made a total balls of this absolutely critical thing and if they don't reopen the pubs next week, this is where we are really going to go off a cliff with this virus. I only hope that we can rely on parents to do the right thing where possible. Any of my friends and siblings with kids are absolutely not sending them back and I'm so glad. But there's likely to be a disparity [see:gulf] between them and the parents who will be kicking them out the door in autumn even when they're dying sick.