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How will schools be able to go back in September?

shoppergal

Just wondering if anyone can give any insight into how schools could safely re-open in September?

Everyone I'm talking to is saying they won't be back until September but in my head I'm wondering how they'll re-open even in September? The virus will still be there with a vaccine still months away at that stage.

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JizzBeans

Personally, I don't really care how the government re-open schools. I work in a DEIS school and the standard of hygiene is already very low, mostly from the dirt poorer families and "disadvantaged background" folk. Not to mention the behavior, there will be ZERO social distancing, cough etiquette or hand hygiene.

The government can call it what they like, it will be a return to school like any September.

byhookorbycrook

antix80 wrote: »

Kids are social, that's why headlice is still a problem.

They're typically v low risk, and their parents are typically low risk.

No more guff about "but what if grandparents have to babysit".. Plenty of unemployed people are capable of babysitting.

Send them back already!

Plenty of unemployed graduate teachers are able to step up if teachers choose to quarantine.

Children spread Covid at least as much do adults . Good luck with the supposed subs , they are as Rare as hen’s teeth ! The system had been propped up by retired teachers , who won’t risk it this year

road_high

Blondini wrote: »

I am a teacher, and know how schools operate, so as it stands, I won't be sending them back.

I am not going to take part in the government's risky game while they themselves socially distance in the convention centre.

Will you also not be working and not taking a salary then?
Course you have the choice to homeschool which will be a balance between all your kids will miss out on educationally, socially and developmentally vs alleged safety from one particular virus that in all likelihood is of little danger to them. As is your right of course

Blondini

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Are you taking time out as well?

Absolutely.

Alrigghtythen

Blondini wrote: »

I am a teacher, and know how schools operate, so as it stands, I won't be sending them back.

I am not going to take part in the government's risky game while they themselves socially distance in the convention centre.

I know the teachers at my childrenschool are copoerating with each other and the guidelines. They really have the childrens best interests at heart.

wirelessdude01

Blondini wrote: »

I am a teacher, and know how schools operate, so as it stands, I won't be sending them back.

I am not going to take part in the government's risky game while they themselves socially distance in the convention centre.

Are you taking time out as well?

Blondini

I am a teacher, and know how schools operate, so as it stands, I won't be sending them back.

I am not going to take part in the government's risky game while they themselves socially distance in the convention centre.

wirelessdude01

emmamav wrote: »

In my school we couldn't fill a post that was for the whole academic year. No one applied.

The union rep intercepted all the postal applications and also hacked the email system!!

emmamav

antix80 wrote: »

There hasn't been. The unions create these crises. One minute they tell us there are no jobs for subs, then that there are no subs for jobs.

In my school we couldn't fill a post that was for the whole academic year. No one applied.

wirelessdude01

antix80 wrote: »

Permit eu teachers. Ditch the irish lang requirement. Ditch the masters of education. And cut the dole.

Everything will click into place.

And there's plenty of grads besides all that .

Irish language not required at secondary level unless an Irish language teacher.

aratsarse101

antix80 wrote: »

There hasn't been. The unions create these crises. One minute they tell us there are no jobs for subs, then that there are no subs for jobs.

Trust me, you are 100% incorrect and I know first hand. I think we will muddle through getting back to school okay. But you are either misinformed or bluffing.

antix80

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Why then have we been unable to find a proper for approximately the past 2 years?

You need to take off the tinfoil hat.

Permit eu teachers. Ditch the irish lang requirement. Ditch the masters of education. And cut the dole.

Everything will click into place.

And there's plenty of grads besides all that .

wirelessdude01

antix80 wrote: »

There hasn't been. The unions create these crises. One minute they tell us there are no jobs for subs, then that there are no subs for jobs.

Why then have we been unable to find a proper for approximately the past 2 years?

You need to take off the tinfoil hat.

morebabies

Is it possible to create a poll on your post? I'd be interested to see what the general feeling is too. All the health precautions Dr. Ronan Glynn advised this evening in his statement are set to be ignored according to the current government advice re: school reopening.
In answer to your question, no, I won't want to send my kids back as things stand at the moment.

wirelessdude01

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

It's good that a spotlight has been put on how much investment is needed for schools.

I think the government are banking on schools reopening without the work even starting and then they can quietly stop the funding.

antix80

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Why has there been a sub crisis so the past number of years if there are so many unemployed teachers?

There hasn't been. The unions create these crises. One minute they tell us there are no jobs for subs, then that there are no subs for jobs.

beggars_bush

Many schools have no staff room

wirelessdude01

antix80 wrote: »

Plenty of unemployed graduate teachers are able to step up if teachers choose to quarantine.

Why has there been a sub crisis so the past number of years if there are so many unemployed teachers?

ldy4mxonucwsq6

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Sense and practical solutions aren't something the department are familiar with. Remember something like this would have to go through the government procurement/tender system anyway.
In a previous career I was caught up in it and you'd tear your hair out at how complex things were, when they were actually simple.

Most government departments use similar tender processes, it's a miracle that anything gets done at all and the lead time needs to be very long (not a chance in 4 weeks).

Even then its not infallible, not long since schools were shut due to shoddy building practices and some even now are still awaiting remedial works.

I think that they will definitely have to do something about the tendering and procurement because its just not going to be possible to implement in 4 weeks.

I do feel that some of the changes we will see in schools will be positive (and hopefully reduce the number of routine illnesses while we're at it).

It's good that a spotlight has been put on how much investment is needed for schools.

antix80

Kids are social, that's why headlice is still a problem.

They're typically v low risk, and their parents are typically low risk.

No more guff about "but what if grandparents have to babysit".. Plenty of unemployed people are capable of babysitting.

Send them back already!

Plenty of unemployed graduate teachers are able to step up if teachers choose to quarantine.

Alrigghtythen

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I’d love feedback on how parents feel sending their children back to classes where the 2m recommendation and PPE regulations are ignored .

Grand. They are very good with thier hand and cough etiquette. I also trust that the school staff to implement the enhanced cleaning and covid protocols and windows will be opened. It will take a little bit of them to get use to the satellite classrooms but they are prepared for things ti have changed. There may be a closure st some stage and I hope that the it system the teachers school used during lockdown is routinely used to keep the children prepared to use it if that happens. But overall I'm happy.

byhookorbycrook

I’d love feedback on how parents feel sending their children back to classes where the 2m recommendation and PPE regulations are ignored .

wirelessdude01

YellowBucket wrote: »

I wonder if the Department of Education could create 'COVID and cleaning pods' for schools. Basically, a portacabin delivered on site with:

1) Extra storage rooms, to elevate problems with lack of space in the main building.
2) All the necessary equipment to clean and space to store it.
3) Dishwashers, maybe a washing machine for soft toys etc.
4) Maybe a sick room + shower facility (to Dept of Health specs)

Exempt it from any planning permission as a temporary structure. Roll it in, plug it in to electricity and water and off you go.

You could easily create a series of modular buildings / portacabins with stuff like this that could be delivered to suit needs of each school

Sense and practical solutions aren't something the department are familiar with. Remember something like this would have to go through the government procurement/tender system anyway.
In a previous career I was caught up in it and you'd tear your hair out at how complex things were, when they were actually simple.

YellowBucket

I wonder if the Department of Education could create 'COVID and cleaning pods' for schools. Basically, a portacabin delivered on site with:

1) Extra storage rooms, to elevate problems with lack of space in the main building.
2) All the necessary equipment to clean and space to store it.
3) Dishwashers, maybe a washing machine for soft toys etc.
4) Maybe a sick room + shower facility (to Dept of Health specs)

Exempt it from any planning permission as a temporary structure. Roll it in, plug it in to electricity and water and off you go.

You could easily create a series of modular buildings / portacabins with stuff like this that could be delivered to suit needs of each school

Alrigghtythen

khalessi wrote: »

Space for the dishwasher in the room we cant access as it is security access.

Yeah sure even though no one can use it, sure put 10 in for all the use they will be.

The numbers using it have to be limited.

I'm sure if they purchased equipment and put it in it that was needed for cleaning they would allow access on a rota. Once it's was limited numbers at any one time.

That's gas, you think they wouldn't grant access if the machines were in there.

Is the empty staff room being used as a satellite classroom, Or has your school the luxury of being able to have unused rooms?

YellowBucket

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

What? You don't think schools will be washing toys and shared equipment post covid? I beg to differ. It'll be the new normal.

I think though that's one of the problems we're all facing. There's an assumption that COVID-19 is going to be resolved by Christmas somehow. That's looking extremely unlikely and we may have to deal with practical containment measures for months or even several years.

So put the basic infrastructure in place to make life more livable.

khalessi

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Well there should be loads of space in them if they are closed to staff for general use

Space for the dishwasher in the room we cant access as it is security access.

Yeah sure even though no one can use it, sure put 10 in for all the use they will be.

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Alrigghtythen wrote: »

No the dishwasher. Where did I say all storage? Lol

In the post you quoted it’s very much implied. No mention of a dish washer in it at all.

karkar athlete

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

The teacher is going to stand with a basin of hot water and wash all these 30 toys before hanging them up to dry at the end of every day? I cant see that happening. they'll be put in the washing machine or dishwasher. Do you have a clothes line ?

If they are not suitable to be easy cleaned they wont be an issue because they'll have be removed

Going to keep items within a pod as much as I can and clean regularly which in the guidelines is listed as weekly for example. By grouping items into mesh bags would reduce the number of items and then hang above the sink over the weekend.

Alrigghtythen

khalessi wrote: »

Most staffrooms are closed, we have been told that staff stay in a bubble mixing with the teachers of their year group only and the staff room closed.

Well there should be loads of space in them if they are closed to staff for general use