How will schools be able to go back in September?

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Put all storage in the staff room? Are you smoking crack or something, or just living on another planet?

No the dishwasher. Where did I say all storage? Lol

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Put all storage in the staff room? Are you smoking crack or something, or just living on another planet?

If we are allowed to use our staff room we'd fit two staff members in with social distancing, three if you put them in the door way. I wish I had the luxury of working in one of those new purpose built schools but alas that is not the way schools are here in Ireland!

karkar athlete wrote: »

I was just talking in relation to staff items. I wasn't speaking in relation to toys and shared equipment. It would be something that could be considered but in the absence of that I am proposing getting mesh bags putting the items into them (even the kids can do this at the end of Aistear for example), washing them with hot water and detergent/cleaner and hanging them up to dry.

It would probably take longer than loading the dishwasher I admit but I do not think every toy / shared item will be suitable for the dishwasher in the first place. Nevertheless it would not be an option to get a dishwasher into my classroom.

The teacher is going to stand with a basin of hot water and wash all these 30 toys before hanging them up to dry at the end of every day? I cant see that happening. they'll be put in the washing machine or dishwasher. Do you have a clothes line ?

If they are not suitable to be easy cleaned they wont be an issue because they'll have be removed

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Put all storage in the staff room? Are you smoking crack or something, or just living on another planet?

Ahh sure that poster suggested that things should be put into an empty industrial unit. HAS NOT GOT A CLUE.

khalessi

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Put it in the staff room then

Most staffrooms are closed, we have been told that staff stay in a bubble mixing with the teachers of their year group only and the staff room closed.

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Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Put it in the staff room then

Put all storage in the staff room? Are you smoking crack or something, or just living on another planet?

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Schools won’t be able to go back but they’ll be forced because it’s free childcare.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Also when we are essentially being told to strip our rooms of storage. Our caretaker is dismantling our custom storage over the weekend that is fixed to the walls to creat more space. Don't think people realise how small some of the rooms are. All the reports from classrooms I've seen on the news are from new builds with large floor space. That is not the norm for most classrooms.

Put it in the staff room then

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

What? You don't think schools will be washing toys and shared equipment post covid? I beg to differ. It'll be the new normal.

I was just talking in relation to staff items. I wasn't speaking in relation to toys and shared equipment. It would be something that could be considered but in the absence of that I am proposing getting mesh bags putting the items into them (even the kids can do this at the end of Aistear for example), washing them with hot water and detergent/cleaner and hanging them up to dry.

It would probably take longer than loading the dishwasher I admit but I do not think every toy / shared item will be suitable for the dishwasher in the first place. Nevertheless it would not be an option to get a dishwasher into my classroom.

karkar athlete wrote: »

I don't think a dishwasher is that big. I just couldn't justify the need for one in my classroom to the principal when I can barely fit my class in without the mention of SD with very little extra furniture. Barely have a sink stuck in the corner.

Also when we are essentially being told to strip our rooms of storage. Our caretaker is dismantling our custom storage over the weekend that is fixed to the walls to create more space. Don't think people realise how small some of the rooms are. All the reports from classrooms I've seen on the news are from new builds with large floor space. That is not the norm for most classrooms.

Boggles

YellowBucket wrote: »

I'm not sure how big people think a dishwasher is. I mean you can literally just put one in the corner. Put a shelf over it and it becomes part of the furniture / storage space on top. They're not huge machines and the plumbing involved = 1 mains water pipe + a drain and they just plug into a normal socket.

You'd be very much surprised how much of a very big deal that could be.

That's at least 2 trades straight away.

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Handles of kettles and photocopier panels fall under the common use touch. It's not necessary to remove them, theyp should be added to the enhanced cleaning schedule. The number of teachers in the staff room at once will need to be limited .

Our breaks are now staggered so traffic at any given time will be very low now due to increased yard duty as well.

YellowBucket wrote: »

I'm not sure how big people think a dishwasher is. I mean you can literally just put one in the corner. Put a shelf over it and it becomes part of the furniture / storage space on top. They're not huge machines and the plumbing involved = 1 mains water pipe + a drain and they just plug into a normal socket.

It's not a huge deal.

Also, any chance parents / community might be able to help on this or even some of the manufacturers. It would be a HUGE advertising coup for one of the big retailers or brands to sponsor and offer at cost.

I don't think a dishwasher is that big. I just couldn't justify the need for one in my classroom to the principal when I can barely fit my class in without the mention of SD with very little extra furniture. Barely have a sink stuck in the corner.

karkar athlete wrote: »

I don't think the alternative is to pay some one to wash them I don't know of that in any school!

As I have noted the guidelines state 'Staff must use and clean their own equipment and utensils (cup, cutlery, plate etc.)' therefore when you are finished you either wash them in the sink yourself and bring back to your classroom or pop in a bag and bring home to your own dishwasher. It isn't that hard really.

What? You don't think schools will be washing toys and shared equipment post covid? I beg to differ. It'll be the new normal.

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

How much time will it take to load a dishwasher vs manually wiping or washing them? It'll have to be done either way . How will the be washed? The alternative is to pay some one to wash then in a sink or basin?

I don't think the alternative is to pay some one to wash them

I don't know of that in any school!

As I have noted the guidelines state 'Staff must use and clean their own equipment and utensils (cup, cutlery, plate etc.)' therefore when you are finished you either wash them in the sink yourself and bring back to your classroom or pop in a bag and bring home to your own dishwasher. It isn't that hard really.

karkar athlete wrote: »

The guidelines do state 'Staff must use and clean their own equipment and utensils (cup, cutlery, plate etc.)' and while I do not drink tea or coffee I don't think removing kettles, microwaves etc. is warranted really. The contact is minimal and easily leave wipes beside these items to wipe before and after use. That is if we manage to get a break and can use the staffroom in any capacity.

If these items are to be removed, the photocopier will have to be removed too!

Handles of kettles and photocopier panels fall under the common use touch. It's not necessary to remove them, theyp should be added to the enhanced cleaning schedule. The number of teachers in the staff room at once will need to be limited .

YellowBucket

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

How much time will it take to load a dishwasher vs manually wiping or washing them? It'll have to be done either way . How will the be washed? The alternative is to pay some one to wash then in a sink or basin?

I'm not sure how big people think a dishwasher is. I mean you can literally just put one in the corner. Put a shelf over it and it becomes part of the furniture / storage space on top. They're not huge machines and the plumbing involved = 1 mains water pipe + a drain and they just plug into a normal socket.

It's not a huge deal.

Also, any chance parents / community might be able to help on this or even some of the manufacturers. It would be a HUGE advertising coup for one of the big retailers or brands to sponsor and offer at cost.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Was chatting to our principal earlier and she mentioned that the decision to close the staffroom is now being reconsidered but if it is reopened that the kettle, toaster, microwave, all Delph and cutlery will be removed. People will need to bring their own. If people want to make tea during the day they will need to bring their hot water in a flask.
Doesn't impact on me as I drink neither.

The guidelines do state 'Staff must use and clean their own equipment and utensils (cup, cutlery, plate etc.)' and while I do not drink tea or coffee I don't think removing kettles, microwaves etc. is warranted really. The contact is minimal and easily leave wipes beside these items to wipe before and after use. That is if we manage to get a break and can use the staffroom in any capacity.

If these items are to be removed, the photocopier will have to be removed too!

karkar athlete wrote: »

It would be a luxury alright. We are lucky enough to have got one for the staff room for the year gone. At least we will be able to use it to clean some plastic toys given 'Staff must use and clean their own equipment and utensils (cup, cutlery, plate etc.)' as per the guidelines

I would consider space a lot to do with it. I don't know of too many classrooms that would have room to include a dishwasher. Also I am not sure how a school could fund a dishwasher per classroom.

How much time will it take to load a dishwasher vs manually wiping or washing them? It'll have to be done either way . How will the be washed? The alternative is to pay some one to wash then in a sink or basin?

Was chatting to our principal earlier and she mentioned that the decision to close the staffroom is now being reconsidered but if it is reopened that the kettle, toaster, microwave, all Delph and cutlery will be removed. People will need to bring their own. If people want to make tea during the day they will need to bring their hot water in a flask.
Doesn't impact on me as I drink neither.

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

It really would be a good idea and be a time and money saving. And under the current circumstances would be not a luxury. Its not comparable to buying one just for the teachers cups pre covid.

It would be a luxury alright. We are lucky enough to have got one for the staff room for the year gone. At least we will be able to use it to clean some plastic toys given 'Staff must use and clean their own equipment and utensils (cup, cutlery, plate etc.)' as per the guidelines

YellowBucket wrote: »

You'd really need a pair of dishwashers in say Junior and Senior infants at the very least, with enough capacity to handle all the washable toys and handled items at the end of the day.

It could be a fairly standard piece of essential kit and even when covid goes away, they'd still be handy and also opens up the possibility of ensuring that classrooms at that age group have some plumbing for a sink.

Also they're extremely safe machines and exist in most kitchens, so it's not like they're any big deal to have installed in a classroom.

Also in any office / school staffroom type arrangement a dishwasher should be more or less mandatory as they really eliminate the risk of bugs moving around through shared cups, even at the best of times without COVID, office kitchens and staff rooms are notoriously problematic for spreading flu and colds as people don't wash cups properly and it's a huge time saver to have a machine there.

I always found Ireland and Britain have notions about some things being 'luxuries' when they're far from it. A dishwasher is normal piece of kitchen kit and they've become ubiquitous in homes at this stage.

I would consider space a lot to do with it. I don't know of too many classrooms that would have room to include a dishwasher. Also I am not sure how a school could fund a dishwasher per classroom.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Jesus you've changed your tune. So now it's a luxury. Hard to keep up with ya.

I agree it's a great idea if the finance is still there after other things are sorted. Believe it or not they would be very much considered a luxury.

No, just a typo, that should say not a luxury. My previous posts where the luxury of dishwashers was discussed will verify that

will edit now

YellowBucket

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

It really would be a good idea and be a time and money saving. And under the current circumstances would be a luxury. Its not comparable to buying one just for the teachers cups pre covid.

You'd really need a pair of dishwashers in say Junior and Senior infants at the very least, with enough capacity to handle all the washable toys and handled items at the end of the day.

It could be a fairly standard piece of essential kit and even when covid goes away, they'd still be handy and also opens up the possibility of ensuring that classrooms at that age group have some plumbing for a sink.

Also they're extremely safe machines and exist in most kitchens, so it's not like they're any big deal to have installed in a classroom.

Also in any office / school staffroom type arrangement a dishwasher should be more or less mandatory as they really eliminate the risk of bugs moving around through shared cups, even at the best of times without COVID, office kitchens and staff rooms are notoriously problematic for spreading flu and colds as people don't wash cups properly and it's a huge time saver to have a machine there.

I always found Ireland and Britain have notions about some things being 'luxuries' when they're far from it. A dishwasher is normal piece of kitchen kit and they've become ubiquitous in homes at this stage.

khalessi

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

It really would be a good idea and be a time and money saving. And under the current circumstances would be a luxury. Its not comparable to buying one just for the teachers cups pre covid.

Gas thing about that was the teachers bought it, it wasn't provided, like most things.

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

It really would be a good idea and be a time and money saving. And under the current circumstances would be a luxury. Its not comparable to buying one just for the teachers cups pre covid.

Jesus you've changed your tune. So now it's a luxury. Hard to keep up with ya.

I agree it's a great idea if the finance is still there after other things are sorted. Believe it or not they would be very much considered a luxury.

YellowBucket wrote: »

Just looking at the requirements there. If a lot of toys are suitable for cleaning in a dishwasher, it would probably make a lot of sense to install a few dishwashers in every school. They'r not that expensive. A good basic Bosch dishwasher is €400. So, €1600 would give you 4 machines, which would cover cleaning staffroom cups, plates etc and also all the younger kids washable toys every day.

It really would be a good idea and be a time and money saving. And under the current circumstances would be not a luxury. Its not comparable to buying one just for the teachers cups pre covid.

Blondini

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Santisiation

How does that work? Do we all put on big white beards and a red suit?

YellowBucket

Just looking at the requirements there. If a lot of toys are suitable for cleaning in a dishwasher, it would probably make a lot of sense to install a few dishwashers in every school. They'r not that expensive. A good basic Bosch dishwasher is €400. So, €1600 would give you 4 machines, which would cover cleaning staffroom cups, plates etc and also all the younger kids washable toys every day.

downthemiddle

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

No point in me repeating myself again you'll never grasp it. I bet the school cleaners will have no problem grasping.

Mechanical wiping
Santisiation

Mechanical posting
Non sanitary arguments.