FintanMcluskey wrote: » Will you take a look at the graphs in the previous posts. The other poster has, as expected, completely misinterpreted the information. Have a go yourself and see do the figures mean Sweden was a failure
john4321 wrote: » I'm great and thanks for asking. So back to the topic in question you have stated multiple times the death date from Covid between Ireland and Sweden is similar now we have a nice graph as well as the numbers to disprove this. Can we agree the statement you have made a few times now based on the facts is false and it's not a good idea to post false information?
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Are you ok?
Arghus wrote: » The numbers are there Fintan. Your argument is false. The fact that you can only answer with gibberish is very telling.
john4321 wrote: » I tried to disprove your statement last night which you made without caveats using numbers that Ireland and Sweden have as you said "a similar death rate" Thanks to the poster who put the graph together to explain it even better why that statement was incorrect.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Thank you for putting this data together and demostrating a point I was unable communicate in such a manner. Sweden is far from a failure when compared to Ireland with the correct data set. I also want Sweden to be successful to prove restrictions are not an effective tool
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Id say your right. Sweden also has a higher per capita avalanche death figure over the past 10 year's compared to Ireland. Its nothing short of a roaring success by Ireland's anti avalanche squad
Arghus wrote: » Sweden has twice our population but its deaths amongst the over 65's were three times as worse per capita. That's a pretty significant difference. And that doesn't even take into account the differences in reporting between the countries, we know Ireland reports deaths in settings that a lot of countries don't, so you'd wonder if those Swedish figures are actually an underestimate. It's a myth that Sweden looked after its elderly better. The numbers don't lie: they didn't.
Bit cynical wrote: » Just on the age breakdown in Ireland and Sweden, This combines Covid-19 data from census population for each country. It is a little hard to interpret as the age brackets are different for Ireland and Sweden. However I plotted some of the data in Excel to produce: I left out the 85+ and 95+ brackets as these are of different sizes. Looking at the chart, there's not a lot of difference between Ireland and Sweden but it looks like between 70 and 80 you have a lower chance of death by Covid in Sweden than Ireland. Between 60 and 70, a slightly lower chance in Ireland. There's not a huge amount in the difference but I think we can say that Sweden was not worse in any significant way than Ireland in the treatment of its elderly. Both countries made similar mistakes and Sweden, at least, have admitted to this. There was someone on here saying he was glad he lived in Ireland because he was 70. But, in fact, it probably does not make a huge amount of difference. If we control for age, Ireland and Sweden have performed roughly the same.
bb1234567 wrote: » Sweden has more elderly people,that is a disadvantage in this situation that they must deal with. It needed to do more to prevent widespread transmission because of this issue. It didn't, therefore , more deaths.
mcsean2163 wrote: » If you take it in context it's obvious what he is saying. E.g. "it's improbable I would lose my temper if someone hit me". Unfair quote, the poster said. "I would lose my temper if someone hit me".
bb1234567 wrote: » ' Your statements of late have been far more vague. This statement above is completely wrong, it is irrefutably incorrect. More people have died in Sweden than Ireland per capita. Do you see why there is an issue with making this statement, and why you're being called out for it?
FintanMcluskey wrote: » It is exactly what I am/always have stated.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » But Ireland had the same loss of life, its just that most posters cant understand the statistics behind the numbers.
bb1234567 wrote: » Fintan you are not stating that Ireland's mortality rate among elderly is the same as Sweden
FintanMcluskey wrote: » When calculatiing the infant mortality rate the data set used is only the population under 1 year of age. Would you think including the complete population age would return accurate data? What are you saying nothing more than a theory? its data presented in a way you cant undrstand obviously. Ill put it a different way Sweden has a fatality rate of 0.28 % of over 65's Ireland has a fatality rate of 0.27% of over 65s Covid is dangerous to a specific identifiable group of citizen's
Jessica Swift Bearded wrote: » How did you obtain these figures?
bb1234567 wrote: » I think his point originally was that when you take into account the fact that if we had as high a proprtion of over 65's as Sweden we would likely have a larger number of deaths per capita But it's silly to say that though, it's just an incorrect statement standalone like that, Sweden has had far more deaths per capita than Ireland. Maybe if Ireland has as old a population we would have had more deaths, but that's nothing more than a theory, no real world evidence to back up this belief. The actual reality is a lot more people died in Sweden from COVID than Ireland both in total number and per capita, this is irrefutable fact
biko wrote: » 80,422 official cases 5,743 officially dead 7.1% of known cases have passed Numbers from FHMs own tracking pagehttps://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa
bb1234567 wrote: » Yes, that is all very true and makes sense and explain why working class communities would have higher rates of infections as you'd expect. But it does not in any way clarify or ensure why or how the rest of the population of the city may have ay kind of existing immunity to the virus as theorised in the article posted earlier. As I have said the fact that 80-90% of people in some neighbourhoods of New York became infected would suggest that a similar proportion of the population of city overall is vulnerable to infection rather than the theory the author is getting at.
bb1234567 wrote: » Nope and I never disputed that. Saying that Ireland has higher number of deaths per capita than Sweden is still an indisputably wrong statement, however
MerlinSouthDub wrote: » You think it's just a theory that older people are more likely to die of Covid-19? Every country has seen much higher rates of mortality in older people. The evidence is completely clear.
bb1234567 wrote: » But it's silly to say that though, it's just an incorrect statement standalone like that, Sweden has had far more deaths per capita than Ireland. Maybe if Ireland has as old a population we would have had more deaths, but that's nothing more than a theory, no real world evidence to back up this belief. The actual reality is a lot more people died in Sweden from COVID than Ireland both in total number and per capita, this is irrefutable fact
froog wrote: » what statistics are you using to come to that conclusion? Sweden deaths per 1M population: 568 Ireland deaths per 1M population: 357
