But they face a monumental challenge because the evidence on transmission within schools has been far from conclusive so far, experts said. Some countries like Denmark and Finland have successfully reopened schools, but others, like China, Israel and South Korea, have had to close them down again. “People, depending on their ideology on school opening, are choosing which evidence to present — and that needs to be avoided,” said Jeffrey Shaman, an epidemiologist at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health in New York.
iamwhoiam wrote: » Gosh I haven’t come across any retail doing that ? It would be impossible in M and S for example or Pennys ! My question is if there was any mention of coats and jackets in primary school ? Our school have hangers on the corridors outside the classrooms for coats When my own went there many moons ago we parents took their coats home for weeks as there was a huge outbreak of headlice one year .
Murple wrote: » How did the children manage at yardtimes?
lulublue22 wrote: » I know you are very concerned re the return to school due to one of your children being recently diagnosed. As far as I’m aware the gov have only mentioned at very high risk to be catered for at local level. Which in reality means the school will try and accommodate those children as best they can from SET allocation. The difficulty for most parents is that the at very high risk group is quite a narrow definition. If you google HSE at risk you should find an explanation of the different categories. Though it was difficult personally to ascertain if my own child fell into the at risk or high risk group so wishy washy was the guidance. Once you’ve spoken to the gp / consultant I would contact the principal at outline your concerns. Principals in general are very supportive and are well aware of peoples concerns. ETA maybe the above didn’t actually address your question - they could but they haven’t so far so I’m not sure why they would now. The gov seem (as far as I can tell from the guidelines ) to be working off the premise that children aren’t substantial transmitters of the disease nor affected by it to any great extent.
combat14 wrote: » interesting to see in a lot of retail stores they ask customers to leave items they touch but dont buy to be left on a separate shelf to be thoroughly sanitised before redisplay again will this be part of the plan for items touched by the masses in schools what additional resources will be allocated for cleaning toilets in buildings with hundreds to thousands of people in third level the toilets are always a massive source of regular complaint in schools/colleges even in a good year and could be a breeding ground for C19......
saabsaab wrote: » I don't see them being open in September. Perhaps October maybe?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Additional resources for cleaning primary Primary schools supplemental COVID-19 Grant for cleaning costs To support the implementation of enhanced cleaning regimes in schools, a COVID-19 capitation payment will be used as the mechanism to support the implementation of enhanced cleaning regimes in Primary schools, including special schools and special classes, with close to an additional €40 million for this purpose. Pupil Enrolment Mainstream Up to 60 €3,780 100 €6,300 200 €12,600 400 €25,200 600 €37,800 Secondary €12.4m will be provided to schools for enhanced cleaning to reduce the risk of spread of Post Primary schools supplemental Covid Grant for cleaning costs Pupil Enrolment Mainstream 200 €6,600 400 €13,200 600 €19,800 800 €26,400 Special schools Primary Schools Supplemental Covid-19 Grant funding for cleaning costs in Special Schools No of Teachers Enhanced funding 1 €4,620 2 €4,774 3 €7,392 4 €10,010 5 €12,628 6 €15,169 7 €17,556 8 €19,866 9 €20,944 10 €23,485 11 €26,026 12 €28,567 13 €31,108 14 €33,649 15 €36,190 16 €38,731
caveat emptor wrote: » Sounds about right. Wish our policy was based on science. Our class size have always been based on how many kids we can fit in a classroom. It has never been on the optimum ratio for learning. As bad as the policy has been to date it never killed anyone. Sticking to it and paying lip service to public health measures may.
Smacruairi wrote: » Ah, you're back quoting stats. Brilliant. Want to tell everyone how you failed at putting 30kids in 42sq m last bint, despite insisting you could?
Murple wrote: » By the time you factor in the additional expense of buying disinfectants, sanitiser, cloths, cleaning supplies for every classroom,gloves and aprons for cleaners etc. and add in washing every desk every day by the cleaners, the grants won't go far. I think some imagine it will provide for an onsite cleaning staff all day. In reality, it may pay for an hour or two extra per day to allow for everything to be wiped down at the end of the school day. And before you say surely cleaning supplies were always available in the classroom, if they were they were supplied by the teacher. In my school, we asked again and again a few years ago for cleaning supplies to keep desks etc clean. Each room was eventually supplied with one bottle of spray clearer and 5 cloths. That was it for the year and evermore.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » They are not statistics. They are figures allocated for enhanced cleaning in the road map.
History Queen wrote: » They're not very reassuring figures though are they? I appreciate that the Dept are in a difficult position. I appreciate that schools need to reopen but I think trying to make them as normal as possible is preventing outside the box thinking as regards what might be safer/more appropriate given the times we are in. Edit: just to add I've been guilty myself of wanting a return that is as close to normal as possible
Alrigghtythen wrote: » How much would have to be allocated to reassure you?
iamwhoiam wrote: » Would any teacher think that asking for volunteers to clean desks etc daily would be a good idea ? I would definitely have no problem giving 30-45 minutes to scrub desks in a junior school . I would even bring my own spray and cloths if it helped keeping everyone a little safer ?
wirelessdude01 wrote: » Kids in my room always wanted the weekly job of being sent around the classes to acquire some cleaning spray once the ones I had bought had ran out. Then the cheek of the document warning up not to be removing cleaning products from school. The innocence of it all is hilarious in its lack of awareness of what actually happens on the ground.
khalessi wrote: » I think it is a lovely idea and thank you but I know my principal who has asked parents loads of times to chip moving furniture etc. would probably decline the offer on health and safety grounds re visitors in schools in line with guidelines
iamwhoiam wrote: » Yes , I guess the visitors would be an issue of course
