khalessi wrote: » As has been mentioned here before a few times, NPhet have been behind the ball a few times on certain things, like masks as they were trying to save the supply for HCW so didnt promote them until there were ample stock. There are now numerous studies showing children transmit the virus as easily as adults. So teachers are not asking for schools to be closed but for proper safety measures. It is amazing that posters here see restrictions in all walks of life everyday and yet are happy enough to think it is ok to just open the schools willy nilly. We get it, the schools need to be reopened, the economy has to get back on its feet at all costs, but the children should not be the cost and doing it safely for them should be paramount. No one is saying dont open schools what is being said is open them properly and safely. Maybe the well educated teachers opinions should be trusted for once.
timmy_mallet wrote: » Everything since those lockdowns has been an experiment. It's a little disingenuous to suggest schools are any more or less of one than opening restaurants, for example, or kids football training and playing matches again.
combat14 wrote: » just seen that millions of homes in northern England (greater Manchester and Yorkshire areas) have gone back into lockdown Less than half of adults fully respecting social distancing – UK ONShttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/30/lockdown-tightened-in-parts-of-northern-england-with-ban-on-indoor-meetings we are going to need serious health and safety induction before letting students into schools and frequent reminders too there will have to be immediate sanctions for staff and students if they dont adhere to regulations
blanch152 wrote: » I don't think the students are the problem. Transmission between teachers because of adults not respecting social distancing is a much higher risk than teachers getting it from children.
am_zarathustra wrote: » There are initial stats from Israel, several large outbreaks and a third of cases within a month coming directly from education centres......so that gets us until October. We know the countries that have kept schools open for any lenght of time made classes smaller, less than 15, and used PPE. I agree we don't know everything but an educated reading of current research will tell you what needs to be done. The government promised to open the schools with all students back and they are hoping somehow schools will make this happen
blanch152 wrote: » There are not numerous studies showing children transmit the virus as easily as adults, that simply is not true. To date, there have been conflicting studies, but in actual contract tracing, very few, if any, cases that have been confirmed as being due to contact with children. What a small number of the studies have shown is that children seem to carry a similar virus load, but somehow, and the scientists are puzzled by this, it is not resulting in infection of others. The HSE actually sum it up quite well:https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protecting-your-child.html "Coronavirus (COVID-19) can affect children as well as adults. But very few cases have been reported in children around the world. Children also seem to get a milder infection than adults or older people. Coronavirus is a new virus. We are still learning about it." They also have another page worth reading:https://www2.hse.ie/wellbeing/dealing-with-fake-health-information-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic.html Here is the type of conclusions that the experts are reaching on this issue:https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-schools-evidence-kids-coronavirus.html "The research still suggests that while children can be infected with COVID-19, it is uncommon. They also don't seem to pass the disease on as efficiently as adults do, and cases of child-to-child infection are uncommon. And when children do get infected, they don't seem to get very sick." Forget about the children and the classroom setting. Teachers are more likely to get coronavirus in a school by congregating outside classrooms, in staff rooms and kitchens, complaining about the way they are spoken about on boards, than in the actual classroom itself.
combat14 wrote: » just seen that millions of homes in northern England (greater Manchester and Yorkshire areas) have gone back into lockdown Less than half of adults fully respecting social distancing – UK ONS we are going to need serious health and safety induction before letting students into schools and frequent reminders too there will have to be immediate sanctions for staff and students if they dont adhere to regulations
blanch152 wrote: » It is amazing to see so many well-educated teachers willing to ignore the professional advice from NPHET and give in to their irrational fears. The risk in schools is low. The sooner they are back, the better.
blanch152 wrote: » But very few cases have been reported in children around the world.
combat14 wrote: » if schools only make it till October or november we need to have systems in place then for remote learning to take place after that or else we will be back to where we were in march there doesnt seem to be any mention of appropriate resources and training being made available for this in the plan, which seems to be negligent in the extreme
blanch152 wrote: » There are not numerous studies showing children transmit the virus as easily as adults, that simply is not true. "Coronavirus (COVID-19) can affect children as well as adults. But very few cases have been reported in children around the world. Children also seem to get a milder infection than adults or older people.Coronavirus is a new virus. We are still learning about it."
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Pg 46 and 47 of the the road map Supporting Teaching and Learning in the home where there is localised school closures
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Did he say anything about some teachers wanting the department to come to their class and point out commonly touched items for them? This is a door handle. Many people touch it. Etc?
Icantthinkof1 wrote: » Could the government bring out some incentive to allow parents of vulnerable children or those living with vulnerable adults to stay home and homeschool their primary school aged children That would be one measure that could lessen the numbers of children in a classroom.
lulublue22 wrote: » I know you are very concentered re the return to school due to one of your children being recently diagnosed. As far as I’m aware the gov have only mentioned at very high risk to be catered for at local level. Which in reality means the school will try and accommodate those children as best they can from SET allocation. The difficulty for most parents is that the at very high risk group is quite a narrow definition. If you google HSE at risk you should find an explanation of the different categories. Though it was difficult personally to ascertain if my own child fell into the at risk or high risk group so wishy washy was the guidance. Once you’ve spoken to the gp / consultant I would contact the principal at outline your concerns. Principals in general are very supportive and are well aware of peoples concerns.
Icantthinkof1 wrote: » Thanks Lulublue22 I’ve emailed the principal’s just to notify them of their conditions. I agree with the wishy washyness of it all according to the HSE’s list they would fall into the very high risk category. I’m liaising now with their GP and consultant to come up with a possible risk assessment to see what measures the school may need to put in place or if school will even be an option for them going forward and have told the principals I would keep them informed.
combat14 wrote: » interesting to see in a lot of retail stores they ask customers to leave items they touch but dont buy to be left on a separate shelf to be thoroughly sanitised before redisplay again will this be part of the plan for items touched by the masses in schools what additional resources will be allocated for cleaning toilets in buildings with hundreds to thousands of people in third level the toilets are always a massive source of regular complaint in schools/colleges even in a good year and could be a breeding ground for C19......
