Deleted User wrote: » No one has yet to answer my question as to why no expert in the field of public health or epidemiology, of whom there are many willing to go on record, have as yet to express concerns with us reopening schools?
Deleted User wrote: » Sacrificed is not the right word. Compromises will be required, and we should always endeavour to minimise. And if infections rise significantly, schools will be the victims of that, not the cause. No one has yet to answer my question as to why no expert in the field of public health or epidemiology, of whom there are many willing to go on record, have as yet to express concerns with us reopening schools?
caveat emptor wrote: » That genuinely scared me. A least the nurses got to testify in front of an Oireachtas COVID committee. It was probably their fault for not filling out the risk assessment correctly. Night.https://twitter.com/INMO_IRL/status/1285528864312238080?s=20
Smacruairi wrote: » That's fine. So it's a societal issue if we have issues similar to the nursing home debacle. You didn't clarify whether you would then reflect and have a "mea culpa" moment and join us on the barricades in future, but I think that's optimistic to get a simple retort. I appreciate you answering, in a very long way, my direct question, genuinely. Rare to have an answer to a question that doesn't get dragged into whataboutery, so thank you. Just for my own records of the 2 direct questions I've asked and had answered, the answers have been : Those with additional needs will have to be sacrificed for medium term gains, if infections rise massively it is society's fault, not schools.
YellowBucket wrote: » It’s not as if this is extremely unlikely. There’s a fairly significant possibility of a second wave. The health system is prepping for one. Education should be.
1) It's official: research that found infectious SARS-CoV-2 in air samples has been peer-reviewed: "significant environmental contamination in rooms where patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 are housed and cared for, regardless of the degree of symptoms"
Deleted User wrote: » How many of these teachers have actually gone in to the schools and measured the classrooms and attempted to see how many desks can fit in with all the extra furniture removed? Or how many are just saying, room 10 is very small, no way we can fit first year English in there. And masks are also recommended when as a last resort and 1m is not possible
[Deleted User] wrote: » Are you primary or secondary?
Smacruairi wrote: » That's fine. So it's a societal issue if we have issues similar to the nursing home debacle. You didn't clarify whether you would then reflect and have a "mea culpa" moment and join us on the barricades in future, but I think that's optimistic to get a simple retort. I appreciate you answering, in a very long way, my direct question, genuinely. Rare to have an answer to a question that doesn't get dragged into whataboutery, so thank you. Just for my own records of the 2 direct questions I've asked and had answered, the answers have been :Those with additional needs will have to be sacrificed for medium term gains, if infections rise massively it is society's fault, not schools.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Infections will rise, some schools will close, but I would guess it will be more likely due to cases coming in rather than coming from the schools, but we have put ourselves a min a position where we can have a level of control, and we have to use it to get the systems right to deal with this on an ongoing basis, as we can’t depend on a vaccine, even though I am positive about that. I don’t believe that government are doing enough, but the guidelines are realistic and will prevent spread, maybe not enough, but I am realistic enough to know that in the absence of isolating the country from the rest of the world completely, There will be cases . Each school and each community has a part to play in making the control in schools as strong as it can be within the constraints that are with. On considering what the teachers are saying... I do, but here is the thing, there is a lot of fear in excess of the actual risk. Any mitigation is a benefit. Those with conditions should be supported and we should continuously seek to challenge to achieve better work environments. Ultimately though if the cases rise significantly, it’s a societal failure, not just a school issue
Peter Flynt wrote: » Schools will fully reopen and close again within 4-6 weeks because of the lack of observation of Social Distancing. I hope I'm proved wrong but Dept of Education are reckless with public health and safety in returning 1 million students full time. We won't open pubs now yet we expect to make that much progress in 4 weeks? Total madness. The solution should have been to bring students back 50% of time and 50% with online or home study until the October mid term break and, if successful, everyone full time from November onwards. Instead we want the lot NOW.
glack wrote: » I did. If I remove ALL of the storage (sure who needs supplies like paper or maths equipment or the luxury of books?) and push my desk against the top wall, I can fit 18 students. This involves some children’s desk also touching the front wall and they will be unable to see the whiteboard or interactive panel. I will also need to stay glued to the front of the room as if I even take one step away from the wall I’m no longer the required distance away from students. I’m also at a loss as to what I’m supposed to do with the approximately 10 students (don’t have final numbers yet) and SNA who don’t fit?
[Deleted User] wrote: » How many of these teachers have actually gone in to the schools and measured the classrooms and attempted to see how many desks can fit in with all the extra furniture removed? Or how many are just saying, room 10 is very small, no way we can fit first year English in there. And masks are also recommended when as a last resort and 1m is not possible
Smacruairi wrote: » Just a quick one. You clearly have your mind set, that's fine, there is no way of swaying you. But if, if, it turns out that the infections rise, and what we say comes true, what will be your response. Will you go after the govt or who with as much tenacity as you have shown in debating here? What would it take for you to change your mind and consider what the teachers are saying? This isn't a gotcha, just genuinely asking.
the corpo wrote: » I'm quite worried that they are ignorant of the science. Page 24 of the document categorically states that covid is not airborne and physical separation (which they can't even promise) is enough to halt any spread. The science disputes this.
Deleted User wrote: » It’s not just the presence of particles that cause infection, but also the numbers
[Deleted User] wrote: » It’s not just the presence of particles that cause infection, but also the numbers
caveat emptor wrote: » Here's a picture which paints a thousand words.https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1280903785703976961?s=20
caveat emptor wrote: » Convection my friend. Convection. Tinnier tiny particles get carried by the invisible wind that is all around us. We are but in a state of flux. If only you could see. I may be random. But I'm not wrong.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » They've given the answers in road map. • Regular and good hand hygiene; • Good respiratory hygiene and cough etiquette; • Enhanced cleaning regimes; and • Maintaining physical distancing in the classroom and within schools; Teachers role is to identify where these occur in the class room and take steps to reduce the risk. Are they not capable of assessing thier classrooms for A) placement of sanitizer B)Spacing & Moving desks to maximise distance C) Encouraging hygiene through routines D) identify common touch items for enhanced cleaning E) with thier colleagues identifying isolation area and a strategy deal with a suspected case F) work with thier colleagues to establish staggered break times ?
Deleted User wrote: » An good proxy for understanding transmission risk Is if you can smell their breath you are in range of infection, as explained by Dr Eanna Falvey, chief medical officer of world rugby who is well versed in infection control, and you know a professional, rather than a random poster talking about farts. Why does hydrogen sulphide spread further than SARS-2 CoV. Because it’s orders of magnitude smaller
Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: » But they're completely internal rooms. The walls just lead to another room.
caveat emptor wrote: » I'd have to say increase bob. Remember when you were in school and some undesirable little so and so had too many beans for breakfast...... You see where I'm going with this. That gives you a good proxy for aerosols. We were always breathing in each others noxious fumes whether we liked it or not. You don't have to be an aerosol scientist.
xhomelezz wrote: » Or break the wall
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Open the door
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