YellowBucket wrote: » We should have online ready to roll as a backup at least. What happens if there is a serious second wave? Abandon education for another full term while we run around looking for solutions?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » Other workers like the garda, the nurses, the doctors, the shop keepers, the truck drivers, the shelf stackers, the packers, the fruit pickers all those other workers?
Boggles wrote: » Jesus you are struggling lad. They are not defining public health measures they are trying to implement them, they can't. When you get home, try put 6 golf balls in your mouth, let me know how you get on, or would you need to wait for a professional golfer to tell you can't do it?
combat14 wrote: » latest news from around the world makes for grim reading with hong kong severely struggling and even vietnam which had been clear for months seeing a covid come back spain alone had 1153 cases in the last 24 hours.. cant believe we are not going to introduce proper online teaching in September with training and resources available for staff and students instead we are about to throw about 1/5 of the population together with practically zero health and safety measures it's hard to believe ...https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/29/global-wrap-obey-rules-to-avoid-second-covid-19-lockdown-leaders-warn
caveat emptor wrote: » I agree Who would that be? Occupational health? I know companies are having to fit ventilation and filters.Where's the risk assessments in the context of an airborne pathogen? Great that googlers and tech workers told to work from home until 2021. Seems like there'll be some serious legal disputes considering normal occupational health practice has been suspended and teachers not afforded the same legal protection as other workers.
Alrigghtythen wrote: » https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/news/5712318/coronavirus-ireland-professor-parents-responsibility-flexible-schools-reopen/amp/ Professor of Microbial Diseases in the UCD School of Medicine Paddy Mallon The professor said that there is risk associated with "every single part of the chain" but it's important that Ireland go ahead with the plan to reopen the schools. 'NARROW WINDOW' He said: "At every point along [the chain] we all need to be buying into this concept that a continued education system is contingent on us not introducing risk. "Provided that the system can keep a cap on the rates of community transmission and keep them low then the risk associated with the kids going back to school remains low. "That is the key to everything that we do. "There is a degree of flexibility that will be needed as we move forward but we need to move forward.
Deleted User wrote: » Do the teachers sign off the wiring in the school? Neither do they have the expertise to define required public health measures
xhomelezz wrote: » A bit harsh saying teachers are neglecting their responsibility of educating. That's cheap argument. Didn't see any posts like that here. Did you? Obvious point is government wrote the mighty plan at lunch break and expect people will just say oh yeaaaah let's do it, doesn't matter how stupid it is. No questions asked. If they wanna run experiment of this size, just open the f.. pubs and let's see what will happen. When it comes to Johnny, well he might wanna see his granny alive to pump him up with some sweets.
caveat emptor wrote: » Also don't forget the masks....
Boggles wrote: » The experts in the actual field. i.e. teachers are telling you they don't have room to implement the recommended social distancing guidelines. Masks are not recommended. They work there and can use a measuring tape, what fúcking expertise are you looking for?
Alrigghtythen wrote: » No I think the question to be asked there would be why are teachers neglecting thier responsibility of educating johnny in favour of his granny? Unless the teachers are getting paid for granny, she's not thier responsibility. let the people who live in the house worry about granny. We dont live in one room houses anymore. Johnny needs an education. Can granny go to the sitting room/kitchen in the evenings and johnny can hang out in the kitchen/outside/his bedroom? Can granny wear a mask? Can johnny wear a mask at home? I'd bet granny would prefer if johnny was at school getting an education instead of being at home annoying her all day.
Deleted User wrote: » There is little to no opinion from any experts in the field as to why a return to school at this time presents a greater risk in Ireland.
downthemiddle wrote: » All bar those with special educational needs clearly.
caveat emptor wrote: » I'm afraid that is not quite correct. Does anybody want to help confirm what percentage of house hold contacts of the infected children subsequently tested positive? hint (it's in the column next to it). My teacher always told me to read the question....then read the question again.
caveat emptor wrote: » Sorry the question was in relation to HOUSEHOLD CLOSE CONTACTs. To answer that question you'd have to ask how many of the little Johnnys live with their little grannies.
YellowBucket wrote: » That Korean setup looks absolutely horrendous. How could anyone sit behind a solid, opaque shield like that all day? Has to be a better way than that!
Alrigghtythen wrote: » How many grannies are in Johnny's class?
caveat emptor wrote: » Fair point. Let's take a look shall we...... Then we can play spot the difference in September.https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/05/26/pictures-say-it-all-how-south-korean-schools-are-reopening/
Deleted User wrote: » That’s an after school teacher
[Deleted User] wrote: » A difference of opinion is not a windup. There is little to no opinion from any experts in the field as to why a return to school at this time presents a greater risk in Ireland. The schools will face resourcing challenges and decisions when cases arise, but at this time the balance of risk means opening schools is feasible. And for the future generations it’s needed.
downthemiddle wrote: » Or we could have a better plan that doesn’t discriminate against the most vulnerable.
caveat emptor wrote: » Bullsh!t...... I'm not a teacher but given the ambiguity with how people interpret studies around here I'll spoon feed you the question in a format that you might understand. Can you read the table from the Korean study and tell me the following......How many contacts of school going kids subsequently tested positive? Second question....(bit tougher) What percentage of household contacts of secondary kid, subsequently tested positive relative to those that didn't (total). I think you'll find the answer surprising. As cute as Johnny is. He's a granny killer. Might be why they closed the schools in first place. Here's the link you won't follow and you won't read. It's the only bit of data we actually have. Another study in US will be concluded in December.https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-1315_article
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