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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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Just wondering if anyone can give any insight into how schools could safely re-open in September?

Everyone I'm talking to is saying they won't be back until September but in my head I'm wondering how they'll re-open even in September? The virus will still be there with a vaccine still months away at that stage.

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jimmytwotimes 2013

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Why wouldn't the windows be counted? I'd be odd to leave them out

Windows are to be left open at all times I assume, classroom doors too.

According to the classroom plan diagrams, we'll have students stuck to the walls by the windows so I hope they bring good coats for the winter months, it'll be freezing

jimmytwotimes 2013

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you not agree that improved sanitation, social distancing, those who can work from home continuing to do so, masks indoors etc etc etc will not reduce the occurrence of other respiratory illnesses? How is that?

#science

But there won't be social distancing is the problem. Each student who spoke on Prime Time last night said its going to be near impossible to SD at their schools.

Closing the schools isn't a option but some thinking outside the box wud help.

A full return and hope for the best isn't good enuf either

What's annoying is, when you describe concerns or point out what could have been done much better, you're just accused of not wanting to work

These 'guidelines' are thrown together and we could do much better in trying to protect all concerned

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you not agree that improved sanitation, social distancing, those who can work from home continuing to do so, masks indoors etc etc etc will not reduce the occurrence of other respiratory illnesses? How is that?

#science

There is no recommendation for 1.1 million to wear masks in schools, schools as your link stated are a major contributor to the spread of respiratory illnesses. As are hospitals, there was 180 people on trolleys yesterday in July.

But tangents.

Could you back up your claim a community referral test is turned around in 24 hours on average?

Alrigghtythen

xhomelezz wrote: »

Maybe some have, but not all. Unless you count windows.

Why wouldn't the windows be counted? I'd be odd to leave them out

lulublue22

Lillyfae wrote: »

I know you're a latecomer to the thread, but have a read over it. I'm not going back through to find it for you, but iirc it was about a week ago. The principal told their vice principal and staff that they would be doing no organizing of anything, and it was up to them.

To others, I'm not going to multi-quote you, but it is already happening. From people popping off to Portugal for a few weeks holidays, to going to work with mild symptoms, to having house parties, to being pressured by employers to get back in the office when 100% of the work can be done at home. Why would the school environment be any different?

That is very different to stating guidelines being very loosely applied by stake holders so that the pandemic can flare up again and schools can close. Particularly in the context of this discussion on the guidelines issued by the dep.

Lillyfae

downthemiddle wrote: »

The solution was meant to be in the document. The solution provided is to deprive the most vulnerable of their right to an education. Do you think this “difficult choice “ is acceptable?

Of course it's not acceptable, but what's your alternative? Only educate the most vulnerable, or educate everyone to the best possible standard under the current circumstances for as long as is necessary??

xhomelezz

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Why have none of these classroom ventilation?

Maybe some have, but not all. Unless you count windows.

[Deleted User]

Boggles wrote: »

Really? Have you a link for that?

The HSE say

Obviously people in a hospital get them far quicker.

12-24 hours according to the HSE.

So what is the actual turnaround of a community test in Ireland now?

But the measures that contributed to flu decline in Australia will not remain in place here.

Did you actually read your link?

We are fully opening schools coming into flu season.

Also the vast vast amount of symptoms that will require testing are not caused by the Flu.

#science

Do you not agree that improved sanitation, social distancing, those who can work from home continuing to do so, masks indoors etc etc etc will not reduce the occurrence of other respiratory illnesses? How is that?

#science

downthemiddle

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So what’s your solution then if not to leave schools closed? Compromises and difficult choices will be required. But the alternative is not to open the schools at all

The solution was meant to be in the document. The solution provided is to deprive the most vulnerable of their right to an education. Do you think this “difficult choice “ is acceptable?

[Deleted User]

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do you professionally bury posts and say it'll be grand or is it just a hobby?

You are not a doctor. Telling people to go into work with a "sniffle" during a pandemic where there is proven asymptomatic transmission and large range of severity of illness and symptoms is highly irresponsible.

That is actually the complete opposite of what I have said.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Because currently we are averaging just over 24 hours,

Really? Have you a link for that?

The HSE say

Most people will get their test results back within 3 days, but it can take longer.

Obviously people in a hospital get them far quicker.

12-24 hours according to the HSE.

So what is the actual turnaround of a community test in Ireland now?

Deleted User wrote: »

Because the measures that remain in place and the wider public awareness will prevent the type of surge seen in March. Less opportunity for infections less infections. Because the same measures that reduce COVID will also reduce other respiratory infection such has already been seen in the Australian flu season.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-23/coronavirus-restrictions-cause-flu-cases-to-drop-australia/12480190

#Science

But the measures that contributed to flu decline in Australia will not remain in place here.

Did you actually read your link?

Closing schools, maintaining physical distancing and boosting hand hygiene have all contributed to the massive decline in flu diagnoses and deaths.

"The main reasons are due to social distancing, as influenza is spread just like COVID-19 is," Professor Barr said.

"And the closure of schools probably also has a big part in the transmission of the flu in a normal season."

We are fully opening schools coming into flu season.

Also the vast vast amount of symptoms that will require testing are not caused by the Flu.

#science

Alrigghtythen

xhomelezz wrote: »

So you'll have 30 kids in class, 1 m SD if lucky, no proper air ventilation, no masks sitting there for 40 minutes. You split them to say 6 pods by 5 students. One of them will be positive in that environment.. how many out of 30 have a chance to contract virus? 1 pod?? You can send home all of them.

Why have none of these classroom ventilation?

jimmytwotimes 2013

Lillyfae wrote: »

I know you're a latecomer to the thread, but have a read over it. I'm not going back through to find it for you, but iirc it was about a week ago. The principal told their vice principal and staff that they would be doing no organizing of anything, and it was up to them.

To others, I'm not going to multi-quote you, but it is already happening. From people popping off to Portugal for a few weeks holidays, to going to work with mild symptoms, to having house parties, to being pressured by employers to get back in the office when 100% of the work can be done at home. Why would the school environment be any different?

I'm not late to this thread, drop in and out.

So a random anonymous post not naming a school or the school was named?

caveat emptor

Deleted User wrote: »

If it’s just a sniffle it will be gone in 48 hours. If it’s more that that shouldn’t be in school anyway

Do you professionally bury posts and say it'll be grand or is it just a hobby?

You are not a doctor. Telling people to go into work with a "sniffle" during a pandemic where there is proven asymptomatic transmission and large range of severity of illness and symptoms is highly irresponsible.

[Deleted User]

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Masks a must I think we can agree

Indoor where social distancing cannot be maintained. Not practical for young kids however

Lillyfae

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Name the schools

I know you're a latecomer to the thread, but have a read over it. I'm not going back through to find it for you, but iirc it was about a week ago. The principal told their vice principal and staff that they would be doing no organizing of anything, and it was up to them.

To others, I'm not going to multi-quote you, but it is already happening. From people popping off to Portugal for a few weeks holidays, to going to work with mild symptoms, to having house parties, to being pressured by employers to get back in the office when 100% of the work can be done at home. Why would the school environment be any different?

jimmytwotimes 2013

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Short of locking everyone in their homes, we can’t eliminate all opportunities for infection, so we go after the most likely- droplets at close contact and /or left on surfaces for short periods through poor sanitation. Make a large impact on these and the remainder do not cause a major issue

Masks a must I think we can agree

[Deleted User]

khalessi wrote: »

Not all the time

In Germany there is a case of someone getting it from someone passing the salt

In China

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/a-woman-gave-coronavirus-to-71-people-by-doing-this/ar-BB16GeIH

Short of locking everyone in their homes, we can’t eliminate all opportunities for infection, so we go after the most likely- droplets at close contact and /or left on surfaces for short periods through poor sanitation. Make a large impact on these and the remainder do not cause a major issue

Murple

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If we have 180 teachers out sick with suspected Covid we have a major problem, all schools will be closed indefinitely.

You do know that teachers have a variety of reasons why they might be on sick leave/ absent other than Covid - tummy bug, kidney infection, back pain, urgent medical procedure/appointment, miscarriage, bereavement, car accident, severe migraine, flare up of an existing condition such as MS or rheumatoid arthritis, injury after a fall... I know it's so inconsiderate of teachers not to arrange all these for existing holiday times but you know, we'll do anything not to have to go to work.

lulublue22

Lillyfae wrote: »

I have not mentioned teachers. There are other responsible parties. Parents, principals, BoM. It's been referenced here. There are schools who have done no preparation whatsoever.

So basically not teachers but principals, BOM ( who are made up of patents teachers and principal) and parents. Seriously I’ve heard it all - what stakeholders in their right mind won’t implement guidelines to the best of their ability in the middle of a pandemic so that they can say I told you so.

khalessi

Lillyfae wrote: »

I have not mentioned teachers. There are other responsible parties. Parents, principals, BoM. It's been referenced here. There are schools who have done no preparation whatsoever.

WHich schools have done no prep and when did they contact the Netherlands to let you know?

khalessi

Lillyfae wrote: »

People who don't want them to be opening very loosely following guidelines hoping that there will be another outbreak. Or not bothering at all so they can point the finger and say "I told you so"

PLease explain who would those people be?

jimmytwotimes 2013

Lillyfae wrote: »

There are schools who have done no preparation whatsoever.

Name the schools

lulublue22

Deleted User wrote: »

The suggestion being made here was one case could take out an entire school. I was arguing it doesn’t need to. Schools will need to keep detailed records though

That will depend on the availability and turn around of testing. You mentioned 24 hours a family member was waiting 48 hours last week. 48 h now when cases and demand are realtively low don’t inspire me with confidence. On the other hand perhaps capacity is there and will be ramped up for the winter months.

Lillyfae

lulublue22 wrote: »

I sincerely hope that’s not directed at teachers. Not alone do I have reason to ensure to the best of my ability that I don’t bring covid into my home I also enjoy a very positive relationship with the children I teach. I would personally be very concerned for any of the children I teach and would do everything in my power to mitigate the risk of covid in my class / school. I mean really not implement guidelines which admittedly are ****e in the hope of being able to say I told you so. Despite public opinion schools and teachers will rise to the challenge as Leo so eloquently put it. We always do. Perhaps people can focus on the I’m going on holidays brigade cos I deserve it . If schools close it won’t be due to any half arse attempts by teachers. I think I’ve heard it all now.

Murple wrote: »

So if there is an outbreak in a school, you'll be placing the blame on the teachers and the school as it will have been their fault for not following guidelines.
You actually think that teachers will risk the health of their class, themselves and their own family just "so they can point the finger and say 'I told you so'"? Did you think that through before you posted it?

I have not mentioned teachers. There are other responsible parties. Parents, principals, BoM. It's been referenced here. There are schools who have done no preparation whatsoever.

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kingbhome wrote: »

Is it possible that if one kid gets covid in school, the school gets closer down and anyone in that class or has had close contact with that kid will all have to be taken to quarantine, and all definitely vaccinated!

School won't close unless it's deemed necessary and directed to by Health authorities.

Contacts can be tested.

There is no vaccine as yet and if/when there is it will likely be needed before they come in contact with a case and obviously by consent.

khalessi

Deleted User wrote: »

A contact is 15 minutes at 2 meters. As long as sanitation is good why would it be different for secondary school kids?

Not all the time

In Germany there is a case of someone getting it from someone passing the salt

In China

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/a-woman-gave-coronavirus-to-71-people-by-doing-this/ar-BB16GeIH

xhomelezz

Just after seeing U-turn on PUP payments and travel abroad. Let's see for how long this plan will last..

Murple

Lillyfae wrote: »

People who don't want them to be opening very loosely following guidelines hoping that there will be another outbreak. Or not bothering at all so they can point the finger and say "I told you so"

So if there is an outbreak in a school, you'll be placing the blame on the teachers and the school as it will have been their fault for not following guidelines.
You actually think that teachers will risk the health of their class, themselves and their own family just "so they can point the finger and say 'I told you so'"? Did you think that through before you posted it?

scrubs33

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

The contacts at 2nd level aren't manageable.

Johnny in first year shares a room with 23 classmates, he has 30 different classmates across his options, he shares a room with 8 different teachers each day and 15 in total during the week, those teachers then teach their classes (meeting on average 150 students each week themselves), he walks the corridors between each class, eats in the canteen, shares toilet facilties and arrives on a bus with 55 other students from his locality each morning.

Trace that

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