thelad95 wrote: » As many may remember, I spoke out on this thread a few days ago with extreme skepticism that there was Gardaí checking passports in the airport and obviously tracking down welfare records based on that information. Now that the above has been proven true, I'm genuinely shocked and appalled that our country has come to this. This is an absolutely disgusting underhanded measure, people were not warned that this could happen, I don't ever recall it being an explicit condition that you had to remain on the island to receive the PUP. Now the government has come out and said you have to be seeking work. This makes no sense, the PUP was introduced as people could not work. Many are still waiting for the workplace to re-open as I said previously if they have previously booked and paid for a holiday they have every right to go as THE BORDERS HAVE NEVER BEEN CLOSED. Either the borders are open and people can come and go as they please or they are not. Any advisory from the DFA is just that, an advisory. There is also serious serious questions to be answered still on how information is being linked. Even Gardaí can't just go sniffing into welfare records unless they have a good reason to do so. A quick glance at a passport without any inquiry as to why they are traveling is not a good reason. This is a scandal waiting to happen.
KindOfIrish wrote: » There won't be any scandal. Scandals have to be started by someone. We don't have political opposition, we don't have independent media, I have big question about Irish judiciary at this time. About 80% of population are brainwashed with no chance for recovery. There won't be a scandal. Sorry.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » If you are looking for advice asking randomers on the net is not the best thing to do imho. Contact someone in a government department that deals with HTB or citizens advice. Here you will be told go and say nothing or stay and don't kill granny.
kingkoala wrote: » Hi all, I try to understand every opinion on travel, yet there are issues i still do not understand, First, cutting PuP and welfare payments for people who travel; I am simply horrified by this. This is not OK in any circumstance, and should not be. (Glad gov. take steps back on this issue) Second, in any evidence, opening schools has more effects on Pandemic than travel. You can check on Israel for the effects of opening schools. Third, we are living on a globe and there are people whose parents are abroad, been sick, need help, etc. Last but not least, Average cost of holiday is lower abroad.I still think that we should not travel for holiday purposes, but I understand and sympathize who does. For us: We are not on any welfare payments (not that it matters in my opinion), families live on non green list country, they have been sick at the beginning of pandemic back in March, they are ok now, and understandably, my spouse is dying to see them, and we waited till it is relatively safe to travel. Finally, Thursday, we booked our flight for Saturday as I think this is an essential travel and planned the return (14 days of restricting movements, etc) The thing is, we are in the middle of buying a house and literally afraid, if we go abroad to visit our families just for 12 days, they may cut our HTB. So, it is not the action of the gov. or even been talked about yet, but the idea is literally killing us. So, should we go or should we stay?
thelad95 wrote: » Even Gardaí can't just go sniffing into welfare records unless they have a good reason to do so. A quick glance at a passport without any inquiry as to why they are traveling is not a good reason. This is a scandal waiting to happen.
T.V Eye wrote: » Can somebody in the know confirm if a Gardaí can even ask you for ID? Only time I've been asked was as a teenager drinking cans... I've read up on the Citizens Advice website and the wording implies they can only do this if they believe you've committed an offence. Do they have additional powers in an Airport due to immigration concerns?
acequion wrote: » You're so right and it's extremely worrying. And the population are indeed so brainwashed and acquiescent which is probably the scariest bit. If I had a cent for the amount of acquaintances who've stated to me along the lines of "No Spain this year" " You're not going away this year," always a statement, never a question. And the astonishment when I calmly answer that yes I've been to Spain and going again in August and that actually it's a much safer experience than I'll have in September, when as a teacher, I'll be in classroom with 24 almost adult kids. But that risk is considered ok. And before the holier than thou brigade here descend on me,relax because I'll have done my 14 days isolation first.
FutureTeashock wrote: » Do you mean the 14 days isolation that you're not required to do by any law? That's quite a hefty punishment you're inflicting on yourself.:eek:
acequion wrote: » Oh get over yourself will you! :rolleyes: If you actually read the posts and got familiar with the posters rather than spewing out the same stuff like a broken record you would see that I make my own decisions and do what I think is right. Many people veer to extremes. The bossed and bullied brigade who would hang off a tree if the Govt asked them too. And the other extreme, like yourself, who are just as intransigent in being different to the Govt and just as bullying. Balance and respect for people's autonomy are so badly lacking and so very evident in this pandemic, most unfortunately.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » If you are looking for advice asking randomers on the net is not the best thing to do imho.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Haven't holidayed in Ireland since 1996, hospitality sector in Ireland is a complete ripoff.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Holidayed in Kerry in 1997 , never had a staycation since.
FutureTeashock wrote: » I'm not bullying anyone in the slightest. If people choose to lock themselves away for two weeks, then go ahead. My goal is to remind people who may not be aware, that there is no law requiring them to do so. If that upsets you, then tough titty.
bladespin wrote: » For all those who love saying it's a slap in the face for the front line etc etc, I just got off the phone with one, who just landed in Malta for a fortnight's hols, said she's ok with you taking a hol anyway, just be careful.
MickeyLeari wrote: » She and all the front liners deserve a break. A break is not the west of Ireland or Mullingar for 2 weeks. It is about safe behaviour and avoiding risk. Risk is not an isolated beach where there are very few cases. Risk is any packed indoor place.
MickeyLeari wrote: » She and all the front liners deserve a break. A break is not the west of Ireland or Mullingar for 2 weeks. It is about safe behaviour and avoiding risk. Risk is not an isolated beach where there are very few cases.Risk is any packed indoor place.
caveat emptor wrote: » Not including a plane because while we know that the disease is primarily spread through droplets some airborne transmission can occur but the planes have hospital air filters so it's grand if you wear a mask, just don't take it off or you might die. Enjoy! Excuse me while I take a breath.
FutureTeashock wrote: » I didn't wear a mask whilst on the plane for a number of hours and I miraculously survived. How lucky I was!
faceman wrote: » Likewise here. I’ve bumped in to people from the front line on jollies who worryingly said they’re keeping it quiet etc
alwald wrote: » Totally agree with Plumb and here is the proof: Post #3111 of this thread Post #467 of the Staycation Ireland.. Anyone doing it thread Yep never trust randomers :D
caveat emptor wrote: » Hope you told them to not do that (bump into you) again and maintain social distancing at all times.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » I see your ability to read hasn't improved , none of the posts of mine you quoted offer advice, other than prehaps don't look for advice off randomers on the net. Only my own personal opinion and experience. 5/10 must try harder. ;-)
