saabsaab wrote: » Are you sure? I saw the following quote from the gov website.. 'Imported cases only indicates locations where all cases have been acquired outside the location of reporting.' It may be a bit of a leap as you said but we must remember that this arrived here at all due to travel. Probably involving several separate individuals.
Feria40 wrote: » Fair enough then on the definition. But where do we go from here? While I'm in favour of actually preventing flights from the absolute basket case countries like the US, what else are we to do? Short of sealing the borders for what might be years, I don't see the way out other than constant reinforcement of the social distancing guidelines and hygiene etiquette. I'm not for a second saying that economics should trump health but I don't think people realise just how deep a recession we are in and that there is great potential for it to be fairly prolonged
saabsaab wrote: » I agree with you. Just stop the hotspots anyway.
Feria40 wrote: » That's a big leap to be fair. Give some specific numbers with specific time frame. Also bear in mind that you could have a cluster of ten cases with the route cause being one individual who came from abroad. The track and trace system will count this as being all travel related if they can tie in a group of infections together
Atlantic Dawn wrote: » Would it be too much to ask for someone arriving home from a hotspot and working in a creche to at least follow guidelines?https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/childcare-worker-who-tested-positive-18638643
PhilOssophy wrote: » 40% of cases are directly related to travel....
PhilOssophy wrote: » I think at the moment the #1 place where flights should NOT be landing from is the US. In Europe there is some control on the virus but the US is a complete mess.
Assetbacked wrote: » You know the US is a massive country? New York has its lowest numbers in hospital since 18 March. It really seems like the virus has a run of about 40 days and then essentially dies off, with some small stings in the tail. The data shows this. New cases is pretty irrelevant, it's deaths and hospitalisations versus capacity which is important. Also worth noting, the more younger people testing positive for covid, the lower the death rate becomes.
lawrencesummers wrote: » Gonna take a while for that genius nugget of information to be beaten.
naraicjul wrote: » What actual controls are there at airports these days? Are the forms to be completed?
saabsaab wrote: » Not sure about dying off look at link below.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105 Countries that have taken adequate action early have brought it under control in about 40 days maybe.
Harry Palmr wrote: » World is adding 1 million cases in 3 days right now. Scary enough to take inbound traffic very seriously.
Assetbacked wrote: » Deaths is the key stat. Remember, testing has increased massively since it first kicked off so they are catching more and more cases. So a second wave in cases is likely due to increased testing. But I don't see deaths going through a second wave. Get me a teaching job or an irrelevant arts degree and you might see me leading the dept of health. Then would my observations on the data be credible? Love the keyboard warriors of boards sucking off the government narrative.
faceman wrote: » Spain’s “second wave” which is limited to certain areas, is seeing an increase in cases but no increase in deaths. Things are very different now, tracing and testing are key to avoiding it getting out of control (along with local lockdowns where necessary) I’m not as concerned about travel from high risk areas anymore, we’re just not seeing any material impact from it. And similarly in the EU, the feared influx of British holidaymakers was uneventful. None of Spain’s outbreaks are international travel related. None.
I'm following Greece's numbers daily as I am traveling there in two weeks. For background, you have to fill out a Passenger information form, detailing some basic questions such as where you're coming from, what countries you've been in in the last month, and then some basic screening of Covid symptoms. Based on answers to these questions, you get sent a QR code that gets scanned at the airport and says whether you should be tested or not. Unsure how their algorithm works, I believe some countries such as the UK, Sweden and Spain automatically trigger a test whereas otherwise I imagine it's based on symptoms. In any case, using the above system, they are getting 10-15 positives from screening and testing passengers at potential entry ports, many of whom I imagine are completely asymptomatic. I imagine a system like this will be the way forward for everyone long term. It's one of the reasons I chose Greece to travel to. Our system is an utter joke shop and given that we have testing capacity going to waste every day, I don't know why this hasn't been re-directed to the airports months ago.
PhilOssophy wrote: » It is absolutely crazy. Reading the Irish Times today about Irish students in big groups in Portugal is just going to make the problem even worse. Expecting people to self-isolate is a load of nonsense. Either we test them before they board a flight, or we don't let them in.
saabsaab wrote: » Not the case here see link below. It could be argued that all cases are ultimately travel related.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/resurgence-in-new-travel-related-covid-19-cases-concerns-health-officials-1.4282671
faceman wrote: » That story relates back to June. It didn’t result in any outbreaks. But it’s not just ireland, it’s across Europe. Travel related outbreaks aren’t happening
