How will schools be able to go back in September?

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Good for you.

Do you have any opinions on the primary school sending only one email a week with no follow up, correction or way to contact the teacher? Do you thank all the teachers and management in that school should have clear consciences?

I'm secondary - not primary so don't know much about what was expected of them. I personally wouldn't have a clear conscience doing this. I would assume they'll have to do a serious catch up in September.
I'm assuming if parents weren't happy they contacted the school and management would deal with it.

I don't understand how you are seemingly outraged about this when you've admitted you did nothing yourself. It's very odd.

am_zarathustra wrote: »

The thing that stands out here is you, as an adult and a professional, allowed older teachers to bully you into not doing your work? This is shocking. I've been in schools where I've drawn the ire of older staff for extra work, taking kids after school, using new methodologies and eventually for promotion. I'm an adult. If people want to be angry or attempt to bully me for trying to do my best to help students then it's not me who needs to adjust my behaviour. As an adult I am more than capable of ignoring people whispering behind my back or making passive aggressive comments. My job was to teach the students as best I could during the lockdown and so was yours. I thankfully suspect, and it seems born out by the comments here, that there are more teachers like Alex86Eire and I than like you

Have a look at the way teachers reply to my posts on here and think, carefully, how difficult it might be for someone to resist that in real life.

Miike

Out of interest - To the teachers here.

Has there been any specific infection control / precautions guidance issued to teachers on the return to school? It must be incredibly stressful for you all. If you'd rather not say here, feel free to PM me. I'm coming at this with a medical head and I'm incredibly curious as to what measures can be or are being put in place for the school environment for the protection of both staff and students. I've been working on the frontline throughout this and I can't say it hasn't taken a significant toll on me. I'd hate to think there is that many unknowns in the school environment, given what we know now that we didn't months ago.

Alex86Eire wrote: »

I don't understand how you are seemingly outraged about this when you've admitted you did nothing yourself. It's very odd.

I’m not outraged ... I’m pointing out what happened in that particular school.

And to the teachers saying that one email a week with no other contact or correction is enough ... really!! And we wonder why public opinion is against us!

teachinggal123 wrote: »

And we wonder why public opinion is against us!

Public opinion is against us due to people like you who got paid for doing nothing! I can't see how you don't understand that.

iamwhoiam

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Have a look at the way teachers reply to my posts on here and think, carefully, how difficult it might be for someone to resist that in real life.

I am a retired nurse . Under no circumstances would any senior nurse have influenced me to give my patients less than my absolute best . I would be mortified to think that I would give poor care or not my full attention to a patient because someone “ told me not to “
God almighty how could any adult not be ashamed to say they didn’t give their all because of influence from another colleague

Boggles

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

To be fair someone sending one email a week surely would nearly qualify as doing nothing

Really?

I sent an email this morning, roughly 10 hours work went into it.

Or is the assertion that the school were just sending out blank emails?

Alex86Eire wrote: »

Public opinion is against us due to people like you who got paid for doing nothing! I can't see how you don't understand that.

With respect, that’s not all you can’t see.

lulublue22

teachinggal123 wrote: »

The last few posts are the perfect example of how the teaching profession treat someone who points out laziness and wrongdoing of fellow teachers.

Once again no -No one has a problem with calling out those who do nothing as attested to by the responses to your posts outlining how YOU did nothing in this and previous threads( in case some are confused) What teachers have a problem with is you insisting that as you did sweet F all so too did the majority of teachers. I presume in an attempt to reassure yourself that your behaviour is perfectly acceptable. It’s not by the way.

I hope when/ if schools start back that they do limit the number of students returning in the best interest of safety for everyone.
I have no idea how that could work logistically though; like the same small group/ pod attend full days of school every 3 days
Monday, Thursday
Tuesdays and Fridays
1 Wednesday a month

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I am a retired nurse . Under no circumstances would any senior nurse have influenced me to give my patients less than my absolute best . I would be mortified to think that I would give poor care or not my full attention to a patient because someone “ told me not to “
God almighty how could any adult not be ashamed to say they didn’t give their all because of influence from another colleague

The temporary nature of teaching.
The lack of strength some people have.
The power over timetables and allocation of classes.
The power to give a bad reference for the next job.
Etc
Etc
Etc

This stuff happens in every job but teaching is a bit different. Maybe when you are permanent it’s different but please don’t be so naive.

Teachers have been on about this exact thing for years.

lulublue22 wrote: »

Once again no -No one has a problem with calling out those who do nothing as attested to by the responses to your posts outlining how YOU did nothing in this and previous threads( in case some are confused) What teachers have a problem with is you insisting that as you did sweet F all so too did the majority of teachers. I presume in an attempt to reassure yourself that your behaviour is perfectly acceptable. It’s not by the way.

Can you point to where I said a majority of teachers did nothing?

am_zarathustra

Alex86Eire wrote: »

I presume you meant to quote teachingal here instead of me.

Sorry, yes. The quote in quote caught me out!

Boggles wrote: »

Really?

I sent an email this morning, roughly 10 hours work went into it.

Or is the assertion that the school were just sending out blank emails?

Basing it solely on my own experience I received an email on Monday mornings with page numbers and which books to work off until that Friday with my child and absolutely zero other communication until my next email the following Monday so they may as well have been sending blank emails

thomasdylan

Alex86Eire wrote: »

Public opinion is against us due to people like you who got paid for doing nothing! I can't see how you don't understand that.

I think the ASTI have contributed to a lot of negative public opinion.

morebabies

To change the subject slightly, I saw the Minister said high risk children will be catered for. For the teachers on here, what scenario do you think is the most likely :

(a) Home tuition scheme to be extended to high risk kids
(b) Ask them to wear a mask / visor to school
(c) Ask parents to arrange custom solution for individual pupils by liaising with their school
(d) Something entirely different

Miike wrote: »

Out of interest - To the teachers here.

Has there been any specific infection control / precautions guidance issued to teachers on the return to school? It must be incredibly stressful for you all. If you'd rather not say here, feel free to PM me. I'm coming at this with a medical head and I'm incredibly curious as to what measures can be or are being put in place for the school environment for the protection of both staff and students. I've been working on the frontline throughout this and I can't say it hasn't taken a significant toll on me. I'd hate to think there is that many unknowns in the school environment, given what we know now that we didn't months ago.

We have no guidance yet. We are given information along with everyone else - when the media announces it. There is an announcement and documentation planned for tomorrow though so hopefully we'll have a better idea then! I'm sorry to hear about the toll taken on you - it must have been incredibly difficult.

am_zarathustra

teachinggal123 wrote: »

The temporary nature of teaching.
The lack of strength some people have.
The power over timetables and allocation of classes.
The power to give a bad reference for the next job.
Etc
Etc
Etc

This stuff happens in every job but teaching is a bit different. Maybe when you are permanent it’s different but please don’t be so naive.

Teachers have been on about this exact thing for years.

Hiring, references and timetable are the jobs of Principals and Deputies. You did not say it was either of these in your school that bullied you into not doing work.

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Basing it solely on my own experience I received an email on Monday mornings with page numbers and which books to work off until that Friday with my child and absolutely zero other communication until my next email the following Monday so they may as well have been sending blank emails

Did you think that was acceptable?

Will you be happy with that again if kids are off most of next year?

An Ri rua

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

To be fair someone sending one email a week surely would nearly qualify as doing nothing

That's a bit dense now.

If the one email contains worksheets that have taken hours to out together and then all of the returned work must be reviewed and commented on?

Hardly a full weeks work but hardly an email either. A bit of fair play in these comments would go a long way.
It is the duty of school management, guided by the Dept, to direct teaching staff how to proceed. Not hero teachers doing solo runs.

Most people are eager to work. Having the tools of your trade taken away from you has happened to many workers. Teachers, like others, in the main did what they could. And felt guilty and stressed. Like many public servants. Who can't win, can they?
September is the acid test. Not for teachers. For the Dept. What is their plan? This is not an umbrella group of hedge schools. This is the State once again reneging on its duty to educate. Not leaving it to the churches (who did trojan work, despite grievous crimes) not leaving it to worker cooperatives (teacher cells) to figure it out and lead the way.
No, the Dept needs to show the possibilities (and limits) of blended learning in the months ahead. And have realistic aims. Not painting teachers as the bad guys because they won't provide childcare for Ireland Inc.

Get real folks.

Boggles

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Basing it solely on my own experience I received an email on Monday mornings with page numbers and which books to work off until that Friday with my child and absolutely zero other communication until my next email the following Monday so they may as well have been sending blank emails

Really, did your child get their books back straight away in March?

teachinggal123 wrote: »

The temporary nature of teaching.
The lack of strength some people have.
The power over timetables and allocation of classes.
The power to give a bad reference for the next job.
Etc
Etc
Etc

This stuff happens in every job but teaching is a bit different. Maybe when you are permanent it’s different but please don’t be so naive.

Teachers have been on about this exact thing for years.

You posted before about having a CID. It looks like you're trying to paint a different picture here.

iamwhoiam

teachinggal123 wrote: »

The temporary nature of teaching.
The lack of strength some people have.
The power over timetables and allocation of classes.
The power to give a bad reference for the next job.
Etc
Etc
Etc

This stuff happens in every job but teaching is a bit different. Maybe when you are permanent it’s different but please don’t be so naive.

Teachers have been on about this exact thing for years.

Nothing and I mean nothing would influence me to give less than my absolute best for my patients .Believe me bullying goes on in nursing too but no one , no one would make me give anything less than my best .

am_zarathustra

morebabies wrote: »

To change the subject slightly, I saw the Minister said high risk children will be catered for. For the teachers on here, what scenario do you think is the most likely :

(a) Home tuition scheme to be extended to high risk kids
(b) Ask them to wear a mask / visor to school
(c) Ask parents to arrange custom solution for individual pupils by liaising with their school
(d) Something entirely different

I really hope its (a). With it being remote they might be able to staff it well with teachers who are in more rural areas where jobs would be hard to come by. It could work really well for students who really can't attend school but I'm terrified that the department will mess it up as they have everything else. I hope for the sake of already worried parents and kids thats not the case. These kids, the immunocompromised, those of chemo etc are really in a tough situation, life must be so restricted for them at the moment you'd really hope the Departments gives them some clarity Monday.

lawred2

We had two completely different experiences with our lads' teachers. Same school only one year apart.

One teacher doing very detailed lesson plans, daily personalised feedback and the odd recorded session for all.

The other, a weekly work list on a Monday and and as quick as could be done review on a Friday.

One neighbor sent a request for a little help with Irish (she's not natively Irish).. just a ten minute session on how to pronounce words etc... Got told in no uncertain terms that that was never happening. Told that the teacher had to prioritize her own kids and that enough time was already taken up doing the lesson plan.

These are all teachers in the one school. The response was not remotely close to uniform and seemed to be left up to the teachers themselves to decide how much they wanted to engage.

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Did you think that was acceptable?

Will you be happy with that again if kids are off most of next year?

No not at all! It was grand for a couple of months; at the time we all were just getting on with it as best we can and it was new for everyone plus I had no idea what might have been going on in that particular teachers life so I just got on with it as best as I could like everyone else

Alex86Eire wrote: »

You posted before about having a CID. It looks like you're trying to paint a different picture here.

I was answering a general question ... not my own specific circumstances.

Smacruairi

teachinggal123 wrote: »

The last few posts are the perfect example of how the teaching profession treat someone who points out laziness and wrongdoing of fellow teachers.

Ugh are we going to have to add your repeated posts giving out about your colleagues and how you think you were bullied to the noise of this thread now? The topic is how to reopen schools, and seeing as how the last time you were asked to be constructive and you received a mod ban for your contributions, I really don't think this will go well.

Miike

Alex86Eire wrote: »

We have no guidance yet. We are given information along with everyone else - when the media announces it. There is an announcement and documentation planned for tomorrow though so hopefully we'll have a better idea then! I'm sorry to hear about the toll taken on you - it must have been incredibly difficult.

Thanks Alex. I'll keep an eye out for the documentation tomorrow. I'm hoping for greatness, they have the chance to integrate mitigation at this point which they won't have the opportunity to do again.