Hmmzis wrote: » Pfizer is not the only provider of vaccines, thankfully. AstraZeneca is targetting 2bln doses for next year and more than 400mln this year (includes SII numbers). Moderna is targeting 1bln for next year and so forth... I think it would be a good time to do another running total with some updated figures. Btw. while demand will be unprecedentedly high for these vaccines, the supply side even with all going 110% could still struggle to get all those doses made and delivered.
bennyineire wrote: » Agreed, which makes your comment about Moderna stocks even more puzzling
Hmmzis wrote: » Moderna stocks? Could you please point me to that post? My interest in share prices is somewhere between nonexistant and none at all. (It would also be off topic)
hmmm wrote: » I think it was me they are confusing you with. Not to go off-topic, but Moderna & Pfizer have similar types of vaccines, and in a neck and neck race to the finish I expect Pfizer would have an advantage with all their experience over a newer competitor. We may still need both vaccines of course, but we have to wait and see if Moderna are capable of getting one across the line - we know Pfizer can.
While little is definitively known about the coronavirus, just seven months into the pandemic, the new virus is behaving like most others, they said, lending credence to the belief that herd immunity can be achieved with a vaccine.
Gael23 wrote: » Does anyone know the specifics of the EU agreement to buy vaccines?
Santy2015 wrote: » How long would trials take if this was to be effective? Looks a lot quicker then a vaccine...https://eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-07/sbpm-nsi072320.php
Hmmzis wrote: » The AstraZaneca deal is for 400mln doses, delivery starting by end of year. I know they were also talking to J&J, but I don't know more than that.
Gael23 wrote: » How long would it take to produce that volume of doses?
Gael23 wrote: » I have a good deal of faith in the AZ vaccine mostly because it’s being developed in the public sector so there’s not huge commercial interests at play in selling a vaccine
dominatinMC wrote: » I have faith in it because of the expertise of the scientific team (and their own confidence) but, be under no illusions, scientists are not immune (pardon the pun) to promoting their discoveries in the interest of self gain - i.e. further grant money. Also, AstraZeneca are a commercial entity.
Marhay70 wrote: » Are trials of these medications not independently verified? I thought the scientists had to submit mountains of data in papers to be scrutinised by their peers.
LiquidZeb wrote: » Well they do but then the doom patrol here wouldn't be able to cobble together some ****e about the vaccine they can't verify themselves, would they?
Micky 32 wrote: » Ironically i bet that if the vaccine becomes a reality ( i’m confident it will) you’ll find it will be the lockdown forever and the doom patrol that will be protesting against taking the vaccine. Due to the contagious and seriousness of this illness Hopefully it will be made mandatory or at the very least strict restrictions put on people who refuse to take it. Banning people on planes would be a good start.
hmmm wrote: » Interesting. Paraphrasing - the vaccines (first generation) are not going to entirely prevent severe disease, they're going to reduce your chances. You will still need to be cautious. Drugs & treatments will complete the loop.
dominatinMC wrote: » I think most experts have acknowledged that a vaccine will not eliminate the disease entirely - so it will not be a silver bullet in that regard. However, should any potential vaccine program be successful, it should suppress the virus sufficiently to the point where people can carry-on with their normal lives (none of this "new normal" bull****!) without living under a constant cloud of fear and anxiety. That would be my understanding of the situation anyway, but I stand to be corrected.
Marhay70 wrote: » I've heard that the Oxford vaccine may not be a one dose vaccine and a booster may be required although I didn't hear at what interval. Then again this is true of other vaccines as well, polio and tetanus spring to mind, so it wouldn't be a game changer.
Gael23 wrote: » We need to get a booster of the traditional flu vaccine each year so that’s not a deal breaker
Marhay70 wrote: » Yep, it's reckoned this will be true of the Covid one, of course they usually give a vaccine against a different strain of the flu every year, maybe if they could be sure the same strain was coming every year the interval could be extended. It's all fascinating stuff, apart from being scary as hell.
NaFirinne wrote: » I am strongly against making vaccines mandatory. I'm not against taking a vaccine that has been proven to have been developed and tested correctly and is safe. Introducing Mandatory vaccinations on people is a grave infringement on their rights especially when there is no openes and honesty and therefore very little trust in the organizations that maybe developing it.
