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How will schools be able to go back in September?

shoppergal

Just wondering if anyone can give any insight into how schools could safely re-open in September?

Everyone I'm talking to is saying they won't be back until September but in my head I'm wondering how they'll re-open even in September? The virus will still be there with a vaccine still months away at that stage.

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Boggles

average_runner wrote: »

Builders are outside and picking it up

Do you think a builder can complete a building exclusively from the outside?

It's not fúcking lego.

:pac:

the corpo

average_runner wrote: »

Builders are outside and picking it up

No evidence to back that up either, they could be in shared accomodation, plenty of building work is indoors in close quarters.

Facts are outdoor transmission is negligible, indoor transmission is the worry.

wirelessdude01

average_runner wrote: »

Builders are outside and picking it up

So your point is what exactly?

Lillyfae

Boggles wrote: »

Alarm in Netherlands as Covid-19 cases and reproduction rate climb

Schools closed 2 weeks ago for the summer. Most likely the hangover from people returning from cheaper holidays before the schools closed.

Murple

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Does it not boil down to a cost benefit analysis, theres no benefit to having the dail together in Leinster house, so pointless argument. Did retail workers say the same when they were the only places open during March?

Benefit to them being back in Leinster house is we wouldn’t be paying €25,000 a day to see them sitting further apart than any other set of workers in the country.

lulublue22

Lillyfae wrote: »

Schools closed 2 weeks ago for the summer. Most likely the hangover from people returning from cheaper holidays before the schools closed.

In your opinion though.

History Queen

Lillyfae wrote: »

After a trial run of 50/50, primary school children went back for full time about 6 weeks before summer break in The Netherlands. Crèches since the middle of May 100%. Children of frontline workers were in school all through lockdown. When the others returned, there were enhanced rules such as parents using certain entrances for picks ups and drop offs, not being allowed in the building, of course good hand hygiene etc but no PPE. No second wave yet.

Just read up on them a bit there now. Sounds like it has gone well overall. One school has had to close early for summer due to Covid outbreak. Hopefully our schools will be supported and equipped re hand washing facilities etc. Fingers crossed the Dutch have continued success when they return at full capacity across the board.

Edit: just saw link there re their cases rising, even when you think you've got a little ahead of the bloody virus it seems capable of resurgence.

the corpo

Straw poll time.

So if, as I have the fear, the government position will be to throw any attempt at social distancing out the windows and steam ahead with a full return, as a parent,what will you do?

Keep them home?
Send them in?

iamwhoiam

average_runner wrote: »

Builders are outside and picking it up

How do you know they are outside ? Construction workers also work indoors and could socialise together or live together .

timmy_mallet

Murple wrote: »

Benefit to them being back in Leinster house is we wouldn’t be paying €25,000 a day to see them sitting further apart than any other set of workers in the country.

Who owns the convention centre?

lulublue22

the corpo wrote: »

Straw poll time.

So if, as I have the fear, the government position will be to throw any attempt at social distancing out the windows and steam ahead with a full return, as a parent,what will you do?

Keep them home?
Send them in?

I have an asthmatic daughter subject to drs advice she will return as normal in Sep with the proviso that I will pull her if things deteriorate in Nov / dec / Jan.

Boggles

Lillyfae wrote: »

Schools closed 2 weeks ago for the summer. Most likely the hangover from people returning from cheaper holidays before the schools closed.

Takes 6-12 weeks for it to swirl and spike based on other countries / territories with low levels who experienced resurgence. 2-3 weeks is nonsense.

Again though they opened their schools for a very limited time when the virus was suppressed in the community.

Leicester which was "lock downed" again was one of the few places in Europe to mass test children and found very high instances of the virus in under 18s.

There is simply not enough data on schools to back up what a lot of politicians seem to be splurting as facts.

Lillyfae

lulublue22 wrote: »

In your opinion though.

Well the schools went back more than 2 months ago. I’m not an expert, but I think if it was the schools it would have happened earlier.

lulublue22

Lillyfae wrote: »

Well the schools went back more than 2 months ago. I’m not an expert, but I think if it was the schools it would have happened earlier.

Tbh I don’t know either. I feel Sep / Oct will be fine. I’m expecting if anything is to happen then we will see it in Nov / Dec.

morebabies

the corpo wrote: »

Straw poll time.

So if, as I have the fear, the government position will be to throw any attempt at social distancing out the windows and steam ahead with a full return, as a parent,what will you do?

Keep them home?
Send them in?

I also have asthmatic kids and am asthmatic myself - I'm hoping the government will have a distance learning option for high risk children / families, they did say in their plans they have catered for high risk children. What that means will determine whether I send the kids back or not.

caveat emptor

Look what people do rather than what they say in a crisis.

I’ve not seen Michael O’Leary on one of his flights despite telling us it’s safe.

Will wait to see what politicians send their kids back and in what circumstances before I decide.

https://twitter.com/people/status/1286701734086299649?s=21

starbaby2003

caveat emptor wrote: »

Look what people do rather than what they say in a crisis.

I’ve not seen Michael O’Leary on one of his flights despite telling us it’s safe.

Will wait to see what politicians send their kids back and in what circumstances before I decide.

https://twitter.com/people/status/1286701734086299649?s=21

You should also read the article and not just a headline. The school he goes to is not reopening, hence why he is not attending.

caveat emptor

starbaby2003 wrote: »

You should also read the article and not just a headline. The school he goes to is not reopening, hence why he is not attending.

And why’s that? I’m sure his father could exert some influence to get his way.

I guess his way is for someone else’s kid to go first.
Perfect cover if ‘the school is not reopening’.

He’s always remained impartial in matters dear to his heart or his bank balance.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

the corpo wrote: »

Straw poll time.

So if, as I have the fear, the government position will be to throw any attempt at social distancing out the windows and steam ahead with a full return, as a parent,what will you do?

Keep them home?
Send them in?

I'll be sending mine in, they are back to normal in every aspect of their lives with the exception of school.

Eldest with have limited time on campus for semester one and will be mainly learning online.

Kids have been through enough now and while they are resilient I don't think it would be good for them to not attend if the option is there.

And before anyone jumps, yes of course I do care about my kids. But they really want to go back themselves and I've weighed things up to strike a balance between the benefits of them going back v the risk and its a decision I am happy with.

I'm sure it won't suit everyone but my choice would be if the school is open and they are healthy then they are going back.

starbaby2003

caveat emptor wrote: »

And why’s that? I’m sure his father could exert some influence to get his way.

I guess his way is for someone else’s kid to go first.
Perfect cover if ‘the school is not reopening’.

He’s always remained impartial in matters dear to his heart or his bank balance.

I’m not sure what you are implying here - is it that Donald Trump has paid the school off to not reopen ?
Either way sharing a post to back up your opinion without actually reading it, is a poor contribution to an argument.

History Queen

Forsa trade union have issued a statement regarding the opening of schools... sounds positive. I don't know a huge amount about them as a union, any SNAs on here offer any insight? Can we take this as a positive indication that the Dept actually listened to legitimate concerns?

According to this social distancing will exist in schools

https://www.forsa.ie/new-measures-to-be-announced-should-help-boost-confidence-in-schools-reopening/

caveat emptor

starbaby2003 wrote: »

I’m not sure what you are implying here - is it that Donald Trump has paid the school off to not reopen ?
Either way sharing a post to back up your opinion without actually reading it, is a poor contribution to an argument.

The fact is his kid is not going back to school.
The fact school is not open is telling.
The fact is father is insisting on schools opening “regardless of the science” is also telling.
He is not insisting on his own kids school opening kinda tells you something.

That is unless you are deliberately mischaracterising my post.

“We have a vaccine for the coronavirus. It’s called being rich”

Read it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/we-have-a-vaccine-for-the-coronavirus-being-rich-1.4195275

lulublue22

History Queen wrote: »

Forsa trade union have issued a statement regarding the opening of schools... sounds positive. I don't know a huge amount about them as a union, any SNAs on here offer any insight? Can we take this as a positive indication that the Dept actually listened to legitimate concerns?

According to this social distancing will exist in schools

https://www.forsa.ie/new-measures-to-be-announced-should-help-boost-confidence-in-schools-reopening/

It seems very positive re SD and use of PPE. There also seems to be a suggestion of smaller pods in primary. How that will look will be interesting in terms of attendance.

History Queen

lulublue22 wrote: »

It seems very positive re SD and use of PPE. There also seems to be a suggestion of smaller pods in primary. How that will look will be interesting in terms of attendance.

Yes that was my impression also, positive in terms of measures but wondering about the knock on impact on attendance.

starbaby2003

caveat emptor wrote: »

The fact is his kid is not going back to school.
The fact school is not open is telling.
The fact is father is insisting on schools opening “regardless of the science” is also telling.
He is not insisting on his own kids school opening kinda tells you something.

That is unless you are deliberately mischaracterising my post.

“We have a vaccine for the coronavirus. It’s called being rich”

Read it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/we-have-a-vaccine-for-the-coronavirus-being-rich-1.4195275

I genuinely don’t follow your argument here. A private school is not opening and is running online classes. It is accompanied by thousands of schools and universities doing the same thing. Every single document produced says that NOT opening schools negatively effects poorer people.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/reopening-schools.html This has a list of peer reviewed documents backing up this.
What exactly is your argument, why do you think schools are being reopened?

jlm29

the corpo wrote: »

Straw poll time.

So if, as I have the fear, the government position will be to throw any attempt at social distancing out the windows and steam ahead with a full return, as a parent,what will you do?

Keep them home?
Send them in?

Mine will be first in

Seriously though, there’s been very low levels of covid around where we live, very very few cases in our local hospital, and none of us have underlying conditions. Couple that with the fact that the school building is new, and hopefully they might have thrown in a few extra sinks while they were building it, and one of my kids classes isn’t massive (my second guy is starting JI, so don’t know about class size), and I’d be happy enough to send them back. I think to a degree it will have to be trialled to see how it goes. It will need to be under constant review and if clusters are developing in schools changes will need to happen

lulublue22

History Queen wrote: »

Yes that was my impression also, positive in terms of measures but wondering about the knock on impact on attendance.

I took the gov’s repeated use of schools will return full time , want to open full time as an indicator that SD was gone and all children would be in school. The Forsa release part for primary indicates smaller pods which suggests staff in full time and children staggered. Mon will be interesting.

downthemiddle

History Queen wrote: »

Forsa trade union have issued a statement regarding the opening of schools... sounds positive. I don't know a huge amount about them as a union, any SNAs on here offer any insight? Can we take this as a positive indication that the Dept actually listened to legitimate concerns?

According to this social distancing will exist in schools

https://www.forsa.ie/new-measures-to-be-announced-should-help-boost-confidence-in-schools-reopening/

Those discussions have proved very constructive and we are now satisfied that the department has taken account of the latest public health advice on reopening schools issued by the HSE on 24th June. This provides for both a degree of social distancing and also separation in order to reduce interactions in a school setting to minimise the risk of transmission.

“In practical terms schools will attempt to maintain the recommended one-metre social distance in classrooms. As it’s very difficult to maintain this provision with younger pupils in primary schools, as an additional measure younger students will be divided into smaller groups or ‘pods’ in order to minimise interaction with other pupils and staff to reduce the risk of transmission."

I would be very worried that schools will not be fully reopened if there is an insistence on the one metre social distancing.

caveat emptor

starbaby2003 wrote: »

I genuinely don’t follow your argument here. A private school is not opening and is running online classes. It is accompanied by thousands of schools and universities doing the same thing. Every single document produced says that NOT opening schools negatively effects poorer people.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/reopening-schools.html This has a list of peer reviewed documents backing up this.
What exactly is your argument, why do you think schools are being reopened?

It’s not my job to teach you My argument.

Rich school not opening. Why is that? Would that be because their HEALTH may be affected negatively.

Poor children need to go to school because they’ll be negatively affected ACADEMICALLY. Subsequently economically.

Doesn’t seem like an apples and oranges argument.

So your argument could be phrased as
"the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Melos

starbaby2003

caveat emptor wrote: »

It’s not my job to teach you My argument.

Rich school not opening. Why is that? Would that be because their HEALTH may be affected negatively.

Poor children need to go to school because they’ll be negatively affected ACADEMICALLY. Subsequently economically.

Doesn’t seem like an apples and oranges argument.

So your argument could be phrased as
"the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Melos

I’m not responding anymore but your use of a straw man argument shows you are not able to articulate the reasoning behind the argument you are peddling. Finally if you think that poorer kids only benefit academically from attending school, you have a lot of reading to do. You could start with the article and sources listed in the last article I shared.