golfball37 wrote: » The protecting others argument doesn’t stack up for me. Do we really believe there are tons of asymptomatic virus carriers out there? Three months ago they weren’t mandatory. This virus is so deadly it’s killing 2% of those who catch it. It’s so smart it can distinguish between someone who has had a pint and spent 9 euro on food as opposed to someone who hasn’t. Forgive me if I think we’re making this up as we go along. Mandatory mask wearing is just the latest unproven fad Mick is happy to buy into.
golfball37 wrote: » Forgive me if I think we’re making this up as we go along. Mandatory mask wearing is just the latest unproven fad Mick is happy to buy into.
golfball37 wrote: » This virus is so deadly it’s killing 2% of those who catch it. It’s so smart it can distinguish between someone who has had a pint and spent 9 euro on food as opposed to someone who hasn’t.
GazzaL wrote: » Because I am concerned for other people's welfare. I don't subscribe to the view that if I wear a mask properly, I'm grand, **** everyone else.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » Up in our office in Dublin today and didn't notice many wearing them coming out of places on the way down the quays. Went across the road for a coffee then with a colleague and we were the only 2 in the place with masks. Pointless and I won't be bothering unless unavoidable, although I was kinda surprised as I would have thought Dublin would be taking it more seriously given its the county with the highest numbers.
Jim_Hodge wrote: » You still haven't grasped that the mask is not to protect you. It's to protect others from you.
odyssey06 wrote: » I agree with you re: people should be taking it more seriously in our most densely populated area. But I disagree about it being pointless. Every extra person masked up is one more person whose likelihood of transmitting the virus has been reduced.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » Grand so. I'm not sick, haven't been sick, and live in a County with minimal numbers and 1% of cases. I'm in an office here today with about 5 other people, 3 of which are on the next floor. Drove in, will be driving out. Minimal risk to or from me. Leave me alone so
_Kaiser_ wrote: » Grand so. I'm not sick, haven't been sick, and live in a County with minimal numbers and 1% of cases.I'm in an office here today with about 5 other people, 3 of which are on the next floor. Drove in, will be driving out. Minimal risk to or from me. Leave me alone so
_Kaiser_ wrote: » Actually as I sit here I'm more likely to get sick from the crappy aircon (which is either too warm or freezing depending on where you are in the building) than I am of getting CV-19
Assetbacked wrote: » The guidance which came before the mask drive was that being within 2 metres of someone for more than 15 minutes shouldn't happen as it will increase the likelihood of contracting the virus. If you have a mask then this wouldn't really apply. Whenever I've been in a shop the past few months I've consciously noticed that I'm not within 2 metres of anyone for more than 15 minutes and, like you, in our office we're all seated more than 2m apart so I haven't needed to consider a mask yet!
odyssey06 wrote: » That was the advice. I think they are also now concerned about reports like this around aerosol transmission. You don't have to be 15 minutes beside someone. You just need to be 15 minutes breathing in what they breathed out (and the ventilation didn't disperse).In an open letter to the Geneva-based agency, published on Monday in the Clinical Infectious Diseases journal, 239 scientists in 32 countries outlined evidence that they say shows floating virus particles can infect people who breathe them in. When an infected person exhales, they expel droplets. Droplets under five micrometres in size can become suspended in the air for several hours and travel up to tens of metres, they said. Speaking on RTÉ's Today with Sarah McInerney, Professor John Wenger said there needs to be greater recognition of the route of aerosols from exhaled breaths in the transmission of Covid-19. The Professor of Chemistry at UCC said a large body of evidence shows that exhaled breath releases smaller particles that can travel further and remain in an indoor environment for a few hours. He said that this could be an important transmission route under certain conditions, such as in crowded or poorly ventilated areas and while it may not be the dominant pathway for the virus, it is a viable one. https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0708/1152044-coronavirus-who/
Assetbacked wrote: » ... if I was infected 3 months ago and showed no symptoms, could we test to determine whether I had the virus a few months ago? Does such a test exist?
Assetbacked wrote: » This is what I'm confused about in the current context of pushing for more mask wearing. Does it mean the previous guidance is now irrelevant? My understanding, trying to decipher the government's ridiculously' inconsistent advice is that the mask wearing is in lieu of the 15 minute/2 metre advice. There was also mention of masks being effective where there is community spread but we are very much on top of the situation it seems with mass testing and effective contact tracing. Sorry, just one more thing. The implications of that aerosol study are quite significant; let's say, for argument's sake, it's true then I would think far more people were infected with covid than the stats show. Which leads me to wonder, for example, if I was infected 3 months ago and showed no symptoms, could we test to determine whether I had the virus a few months ago? Does such a test exist?
_Kaiser_ wrote: » That's fine - if they have it. As the numbers continue to show, the overwhelming majority of people don't. Life is risky. The way the responses to Covid have been (especially at this stage), we shouldn't really drive or cycle either because there's a chance we might get hurt or die. Our current level of response is not proportional to the very low level of risk - especially in counties with minimal cases.
Glenomra wrote: » I know very little about the efficiency of masks in preventing the virus but I have heard from a number of small shop owners that the compulsory wearing of them has resulted in a discernible loss of custom. Before anybody asks, this is anecdotal information!!!!!!!! I cannot provide any professional research to support this view. Is this other people's conclusion also. and if so, will it change as people become more used to wearing the masks.
bush wrote: » Well I can say it puts me off going to the shop. I would have gone the last few days but I absolutely hate wearing a mask, I cant breathe. Im just cooking using whatever I have left here instead of going to the shop.
is_that_so wrote: » Do home delivery or click and collect if you can. You might also be able to ask your local shop if you can just collect rather than go inside. Some of them were doing that at the height of it.
