ThewhiteJesus wrote: » I hope they spell Travellers correctly in the media.
lawrencesummers wrote: » Before this gets moderated because travelers are mentioned I would like to point out that im not looking to discuss travelers just how the media appear to have a double standard on reporting news that is traveler related.
bubblypop wrote: » what is the double standard exactly?
lawrencesummers wrote: » When crimes are being reported on they dont get called travellers, when other articles are written they are called travellers. Some posts here are taking aim at travellers, thats not what im doing, Im just asking about the double standard the media appear to have.
bubblypop wrote: » So you believe a person's ethnicity should be reported when they commit crimes? for example, I commit a crime, should they say ' Bubblypop, an Irish citizen, who was born in the UK' Is it in anyway relevant?
bubblypop wrote: » also, I think it's fairly obvious to everyone, by names & descriptions if someone is a traveller, or possibly another nationality. I'm not sure why you feel the media have to tell us such things
Uncle Pierre wrote: » It's not just Travellers. You don't generally see reports like "Polish man convicted of assault" or "Nigerian man drove while four times over the limit" either. Newspapers/other media generally just give the name and address, and maybe a photo if the offence is noteworthy enough to warrant it. It's all to do with "Incitement to Hatred" stuff. The likes of Pavee Point (in the case of Travellers) or other groups (in the case of non-nationals) wouldn't be long in making accusations that the media outlet is tarring them all with the one brush by saying "Traveller convicted of ...." or "Nigerian guilty of .....". They ask things like "would you say settled person convicted of ....., or Irish man guilty of ......?" No such issues when it's a positive story, like Traveller appointed to Seanad, or first Nigerian to be elected to local authority, or some such.
lawrencesummers wrote: » You can grind that axe elsewhere, as I said ive no interest in demonizing travelers, just the imbalanced way that media here report on it.
lawrencesummers wrote: » No im saying it should either be included or not, a persons ethnicity is either relevant or not to every story,and the double standard of excluding it when its a negative story only to allude strongly to it while including a persons ethnicity when its not a negatie story is a strange way to report news
lawrencesummers wrote: » Not at all, and your just highlighting another aspect of the issue where the media will include a persons ethnicity unless they are travelers.https://www.radiokerry.ie/polish-man-sexually-assaulted-female-co-worker-kerry-hotel-jailed/https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/man-24-charged-over-attack-and-robbery-on-woman-19-in-cork-1.4115778?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fman-24-charged-over-attack-and-robbery-on-woman-19-in-cork-1.4115778https://www.thejournal.ie/man-accused-sexual-assault-unconscious-woman-dublin-street-4958343-Jan2020/
bubblypop wrote: » this is the point.You believe their ethnicity is relevant to the story when they commit crimes. It isn't actually relevant at all. You just think it is. If it is a story about how a traveller did well in, education, for example, despite the odds against them, then that is relevant.
Uncle Pierre wrote: » Polish is probably a bad example then, but if I google "Nigerian man guilty", there's only one story from Ireland in the first three pages of results, and if I google "Nigerian man convicted", there are only two. Overall, seems that anybody who's "different" enough to have an active group looking out for their "rights" won't have their nationality or ethnicity specified, but other non-Irish people might....so long as they're not too "different".
lawrencesummers wrote: » Wrong. I believe a persons ethnicity is either relevant or not, and the media should approach the reporting of stories with the same policy with regards referencing their ethnicity or not in all stories equally, they dont do it in some but leave the reader in no doubt as to a persons ethnicity in the instances of travelers committing cries.
lawrencesummers wrote: » Maybe thats because Nigerian people are not that common in Ireland and the ones that are here dont commit much crime.
bubblypop wrote: » but that is not what you said, you said it is relevant to the story or not. And you were right first time, sometimes it is relevant, but other times it is not. If a person moved here in their teens, not speaking a word of English, later in life they became, say Head of the English department of Trinity College, then their ethnicity would without doubt, be relevant to that story. Criminals are criminals, who cares what ethnicity they are?
Uncle Pierre wrote: » All right, I give up. Good luck to the rest of you in carrying on this discussion.
lawrencesummers wrote: » You posted about Polish people and Nigerian people, were shown to be completely wrong about your assertions on polish people and offered a valid reason counteracting your point on Nigerian people. One could go as far as to say you have a number of prejudices.
Uncle Pierre wrote: » I don't usually use many emojis, but I'm going to try the "confused" one now - I just know that in my own local paper, their usual practice is not to mention ethnicity or nationality in court cases at all. Of the few court cases in this week's issue alone, there's one of a man with an obviously Eastern European name and another with a name that's obviously Africa in origin, but no mention made of their actual nationalities. Similarly, there are separate cases of a woman called Connors and a man called Cash, with address in places that would have large Traveller populations, but nothing to explicitly say "Traveller". Then again, you'll probably say I'm just biased to assume these people are non-nationals or Travellers in the first place. :rolleyes: Oh look. Another emoji!
Uncle Pierre wrote: » What difference? Do you not believe me?
lawrencesummers wrote: » Nope
Uncle Pierre wrote: » Don't know why I should go out of my way to answer you then, since first you accuse me of bias, and now you accuse me of being either a liar or a bullsh** artist. But I'll PM you anyway, with the answer you want and an explanation of how I know it, rather than posting publicly about it. Because I'm nice like that. These emojis are really racking up....!
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