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How will schools be able to go back in September?

shoppergal

Just wondering if anyone can give any insight into how schools could safely re-open in September?

Everyone I'm talking to is saying they won't be back until September but in my head I'm wondering how they'll re-open even in September? The virus will still be there with a vaccine still months away at that stage.

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wirelessdude01

Deeec wrote: »

I agree online doesn't work for everybody. I think the easiest approach is to forget about live online teaching. It doesn't work for teachers, children or parents. I posted on this forum a few days ago a simple approach which I think some of the suggestions could work ( not online based ) . I would just love to see every school using the same approach to homeschooling so everyone knows what is expected of them. If it was kept simple I think it would work for everybody.

And once again back to the department for them to do their job.

Deeec

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

And once again back to the department for them to do their job.

Its very frustrating that they cant come up with some plan and solutions for each scenario. Us parents cannot plan ahead for what is happening In September. Im guessing teachers cannot plan ahead either.

wirelessdude01

Deeec wrote: »

Its very frustrating that they cant come up with some plan and solutions for each scenario. Us parents cannot plan ahead for what is happening In September. Im guessing teachers cannot plan ahead either.

Everyone is in the dark. I suspect that the IT are probably currently sitting on the scoop of what is to be announced.

iamwhoiam

Deeec wrote: »

Its very frustrating that they cant come up with some plan and solutions for each scenario. Us parents cannot plan ahead for what is happening In September. Im guessing teachers cannot plan ahead either.

Parents can’t plan , teachers can’t plan and teachers who are parents can’t plan . Its an absolute scandal now that no task force was put in place by the DoE way back in April . Shame on them

NelRom

Deeec wrote: »

That's what I mean by standard - every school should be offering the same.

Exactly.
A we all know we want school to return in a school environment safely.
The problem is that if and when physical school cannot return, I cannot understand how anyone can try to justify not supplying taught material videos, more interactive lessons and anything else possible to parents to help the children out.
Someone else said scandal- absolutely.

lulublue22

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Parents can’t plan , teachers can’t plan and teachers who are parents can’t plan . Its an absolute scandal now that no task force was put in place by the DoE way back in April . Shame on them

They definitely dropped the ball on this - imo they should have had a number of options thought through - a full return , a partial return and online.

Scoondal

NelRom wrote: »

Exactly.
A we all know we want school to return in a school environment safely.
The problem is that if and when physical school cannot return, I cannot understand how anyone can try to justify not supplying taught material videos, more interactive lessons and anything else possible to parents to help the children out.
Someone else said scandal- absolutely.

Huh ?

[Deleted User]

NelRom wrote: »

Exactly.
A we all know we want school to return in a school environment safely.
The problem is that if and when physical school cannot return, I cannot understand how anyone can try to justify not supplying taught material videos, more interactive lessons and anything else possible to parents to help the children out.
Someone else said scandal- absolutely.

What you're looking for is a babysitter!

Treppen

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Everyone is in the dark. I suspect that the IT are probably currently sitting on the scoop of what is to be announced.

It's really disgraceful the amount of leaks coming from the department. Article today in the Indo https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/education-department-at-centre-of-storm-as-anxiety-among-parents-and-pupils-grows-39377730.html had referred to rumours citing different 'sources' and politicians about 5 times. Can't people in the Department of Education just keep their mouths shut after a meeting. AS soon as a minister makes a decision the mandarins start to drip feed whatever story they like to control the outcome and scupper the Minister. Also it painted the picture of her just trying to appease unions the most as she was a former teacher etc. You can see where this **** show is going to go, and with silly season around the corner it's just going to get sillier.

Scoondal

It seems that some forum members think that all schools and all teachers should not be badly criticised on this forum. I do not think that this is acceptable on a discussion forum.

[Deleted User]

Scoondal wrote: »

It seems that some forum members think that all schools and all teachers should not be badly criticised on this forum. I do not think that this is acceptable on a discussion forum.

They need someone to blame as they don't know how to occupy there children!

Get used to it people because this thing is here to stay!

History Queen

Scoondal wrote: »

It seems that some forum members think that all schools and all teachers should not be badly criticised on this forum. I do not think that this is acceptable on a discussion forum.

Criticism where warranted is fair enough. Criticism and the appropriation of blame where teachers/schools aren't at fault isn't fair. You, for example, were criticising your son's school for following child protection and data protection guidelines. You called me and people like me nuts for explaining that we have to follow child protection guidelines. That is unwarranted and unfounded criticism.

Criticising all for failings of a few isn't discussion.

Leftwaffe

Im not expecting much clear guidance from the dept tbh. It will be largely left at the door of the school to sort out.

What I think we will be doing in our school is rotating the days certain year groups are in school. Teachers will remain on premises for the day. Teach those at home online when not teaching physical class group. Problem is, the dept won’t provide adequate tech for this. It’s not enough to rely on an iPad for this. Proper webcam needed.

Students with cameras off and mics muted. Hand up function in use. Random questioning from teacher to check for engagement.

I’ve just bought a new computer & monitor in the event the school gets closed and we’re working from home completely. I’ve started adapting resources for online use also (mainly because I have a bit of time on my hands coincidently).

downthemiddle

Scoondal wrote: »

It seems that some forum members think that all schools and all teachers should not be badly criticised on this forum. I do not think that this is acceptable on a discussion forum.

What reasonable criticism do you feel should be directed towards all schools and all teachers over the reopening of schools in September?

Dickie10

i didnt do any live classes during lockdown just used email. worked well for history, its all notes and questions and reading anyway. threw up some youtube documentaarys too. wrks grand in history but science, maths , languages not a hope. wouldnt be keen on doing geography either that way.

cwboy

Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds
The study of nearly 65,000 people in South Korea suggests that school reopenings will trigger more outbreaks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Scoondal

It seems schools and teachers should not receive constructive advice from forum members.

jlm29

Oscar Madison wrote: »

They need someone to blame as they don't know how to occupy there children!
!

I don’t need someone to blame. I don’t have a problem occupying my children. But I wouldn’t know where to start educating a junior infant. I suppose I could take a stab at getting him to fill in a few workbooks. I doubt I’d be doing him any favours though, because I’m not a teacher. They’ve gone to college and are trained to educate, not simply to “occupy children”. I could probably plod along with my 3rd class child, because he can read and write already.
But guess what. I have to go to work in a hospital, looking after the sick people, so I can’t sit down and work through schoolwork with him either.

wirelessdude01

Scoondal wrote: »

It seems schools and teachers should not receive constructive advice from forum members.

I suggest you write to the department of education with this constructive advice seeing as they seem to be unable to put together any.

[Deleted User]

jlm29 wrote: »

I don’t need someone to blame. I don’t have a problem occupying my children. But I wouldn’t know where to start educating a junior infant. I suppose I could take a stab at getting him to fill in a few workbooks. I doubt I’d be doing him any favours though, because I’m not a teacher. They’ve gone to college and are trained to educate, not simply to “occupy children”. I could probably plod along with my 3rd class child, because he can read and write already.
But guess what. I have to go to work in a hospital, looking after the sick people, so I can’t sit down and work through schoolwork with him either.

You read to them! Colour with a colouring book! Talk to them!

Working anywhere doesn't absolve you from what you should be doing anyway!

Leftwaffe

Dickie10 wrote: »

i didnt do any live classes during lockdown just used email. worked well for history, its all notes and questions and reading anyway. threw up some youtube documentaarys too. wrks grand in history but science, maths , languages not a hope. wouldnt be keen on doing geography either that way.

I done a mixture of live and recorded lessons. One live class per week and recorded videos for other periods. Live class was kind of a checking in period.

I know many like yourself and say they got good results too. It all depends on your own style and the students you have. No perfect formula. Can see how some teachers just see it as a path to doing f all though. I’m relatively new to teaching so the fire is still there.

Murple

Scoondal wrote: »

It seems schools and teachers should not receive constructive advice from forum members.

Try giving some constructive advice and then we can assess how it has been received.

History Queen

Scoondal wrote: »

It seems schools and teachers should not receive constructive advice from forum members.

What are you basing this on?

jlm29

Oscar Madison wrote: »

You read to them! Colour with a colouring book! Talk to them!

Working anywhere doesn't absolve you from what you should be doing anyway!

This is so condescending.

khalessi

Scoondal wrote: »

It seems schools and teachers should not receive constructive advice from forum members.

Scoondal, I have been a member on bords on and off since 2007 and teaching is the only job that gets mega threads where people slag it off, teacher bash, troll and are very spiteful about teaching and it all seems to centre on perceived hours and holidays.

Constructive criticism is welcome but there are some who are obvious about teacher bashing and others who coat it in eloquent phrases or subtlely like the posts of the teacher bashers and hope it isn't noticed. Since March there have been at least 6 of these threads and yet no other job gets that treatment. Never in my time on boards have I seen a career slated so much and so many people bitter about it.

Some of it has occured in the last week and can be seen by anyone who scrolls back. There have been some great suggestions put forward here by non teachers on how to improve things, or how to get schools open, but there have also been suggestions that weren't great and if a teacher disagrees or points out why it wont work , they are slagged off as inflexible. It is never considered that we may actually have relevent experience to know this.

If I gave an explanation on how to take an ABG as a nurse, I would not get 20 people jumping on me telling me I dont knwo how to do my job. Primarily because most people would not have that level of knowledge of nursing. But everyone has been in a school so feel free to jump on teachers.

You have made some good points and mentioned homeschooling as an alternative and I genuinely was interested in you doing a diary as I felt it could teach us something. But timmy mallet made my comment into something it was not, which really upset me and I reported it and nothing was done.

By all means people can criticise but dont turn an explanation of why something might not work into an attack on teachers being inflexible and then tell us what a drain we are on the tax system and that we pracitically dont work. I have worked in the private sector and also elsewhere in public and honestly teaching is tough enough without the battering I have seen on here.

Oh please dont use spelling against me I am not a typist

Dickie10

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

I done a mixture of live and recorded lessons. One live class per week and recorded videos for other periods. Live class was kind of a checking in period.

I know many like yourself and say they got good results too. It all depends on your own style and the students you have. No perfect formula. Can see how some teachers just see it as a path to doing f all though. I’m relatively new to teaching so the fire is still there.

im fresh out too, i just thought with my subject they actually got more done that way. my senior classes liked it and done very well in summer exams, but i am in an academic school. still i wouldnt want to go back to that way of teaching. Im really feeling sad for the incoming first years who will see their secondary school start disrupted, i always think the first few weeks are lovely with first years settling in and getting to know them and they each other. i really look forward to that each september, particularly being a bit nosey and seeing who they are and where there from!

the corpo

cwboy wrote: »

Older Children Spread the Coronavirus Just as Much as Adults, Large Study Finds
The study of nearly 65,000 people in South Korea suggests that school reopenings will trigger more outbreaks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

I may be wrong (usually am) but is this the first large scale study to examine transmission rates amongst children?

I don't dispute the results at all, but it just shows how unknown this all is that a potential reason for children under 10 not being so important a factor in spreading, is that they're short! And thus not exhaling at a height to reach into adult airways.
Mad, Ted.

But if it's right that children from 10+ are as contagious as adults then how can there be any argument for placing 30 plus teachers crowded together into a typical Irish sized classroom? A full return will be impossible.

[Deleted User]

jlm29 wrote: »

This is so condescending.

My apologies!

ThunbergsAreGo

Not sure what to think on this one. I was all for it, but if pubs can't open, then schools must be under threat. Kids are like young drinks, especially the smaller ones.

I think they have to try. It's not healthy for kids to not have school (or on parents sanity) and they can't stay closed forever. But then a short dose of normality and then back to closure might be as bad.

Very difficult situation all round.

Creches have been open a few weeks with no large uptick (or none attributed to creches). There should be almost two months of data on that by Sept

So maybe its just a bite the bullet approach.

Wanderer78

ThunbergsAreGo wrote:

Not sure what to think on this one. I was all for it, but if pubs can't open, then schools must be under threat. Kids are like young drinks, especially the smaller ones.

Is there much infection amongst the younger ones?