na1 wrote: » If you noticed I was replying to retards posts:
na1 wrote: » There was a video few pages down about homemade 'masks' and their efficiency. And after leaving the shop, people tend to pull the mask down with their bare hands, touching their faces etc, and then pulling mask up again when they enter another shop or bus. This makes the 'mask' efficiency from (for example) 10% to 0%.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » Masks are mandatory. Quit your crying and mask up.
na1 wrote: » Here you are to start with: Trials and Studies on mask use:https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy
Jacobs, J. L. et al. (2009) “Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: A randomized controlled trial,” American Journal of Infection Control, Volume 37, Issue 5, 417 – 419.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/ N95-masked health-care workers (HCW) were significantly more likely to experience headaches. Face mask use in HCW was not demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds. Cowling, B. et al. (2010) “Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: A systematic review,” Epidemiology and Infection, 138(4), 449-456.https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05 bin-Reza et al. (2012) “The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence,” Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses 6(4), 257–267.
Smith, J.D. et al. (2016) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis,” CMAJ Mar 2016 Offeddu, V. et al. (2017) “Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis,” Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 65, Issue 11, 1 December 2017, Pages 1934–1942, Radonovich, L.J. et al. (2019) “N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial,” JAMA. 2019; 322(9): 824–833. “Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. ... Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.” Long, Y. et al. (2020) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta-analysis,” J Evid Based Med. 2020; 1- 9.
na1 wrote: » Its just funny how keyboard warriors become very quiet on the Ballimun bus. I never heard anything like: "Quit your crying and mask up" towards the bus passengers on these bus routes.
odyssey06 wrote: » How did we ever bring in smoking ban on buses if mask wearing is seen as unenforceable?
Wibbs wrote: » Because the authorities were very clear about the subject of banning smoking and the vast majority went along with it because of that. With masks(and not just masks) the authorities have been anything but clear about it and from the get go. They've confusingly chopped and changed their tack and this in turn confused the general population.
Wibbs wrote: » Oh and I hate to break it to you, hand washing doesn't show a particularly strong protective effect and the two metres social distancing measure has no scientific backing at all. .
ExMachina1000 wrote: » Who is enforcing it?
timmy_mallet wrote: » I mean, where do you even start?
Wibbs wrote: » They are both risk reducers, which is about all we can do against a pathogen that has evolved to spread among organisms very effectively, but the specificity of two metres was as much about what would work as risk reducer and what people would most likely adhere to. Ten metres away the risk would be pretty much zero, but wouldn't be workable. Early on in the game there was the notion of not spending over 15 minutes in close contact with someone which was utterly bogus, then we had one of our so called "experts" telling us asymptotic spread was of so little risk you may as well act as normally as possible around a potential covid contact. We have been caught napping by this virus with experts running around like headless chickens making things up as they go along, or for the sake of expediency and practically. Masks were one such casualty of all that.
Hrududu wrote: » You wear a mask to protect others around you from catching something off you Others wear a mask to protect you from catching stuff off them
na1 wrote: » Wearing cotton masks for longer than couple hours can actually be more dangerous than not wearing it. Different bacteria colonies are extremely fast growing in a warm & humid environment of your cotton mask!! This mean you need to change disposable mask (2 euro each) every 2 hours. And how do they enforce it (changing masks every 2 hours)?
MrMusician18 wrote: » That's more than a little unfair. Much of the initial guidance around masks was given in order to protect supplies for healthcare workers.
The virus is also novel so as more has been learned about it the advice has changed.
I'd agree though that 2m social distancing was chosen as the largest practical distance to could get people to separate that they would adhere to. It's the same rationale behind recommending 5 portions of veg a day: the behavior that will reduce risk and that will have a reasonable chance of being adhered to. If it was 10m people would say it wasn't practical and you'd be as well hung for a sheep as a lamb and ignore it completely.
weldoninhio wrote: » I’ve gotten 1 disposable mask now due to this nonsense. I’ll be wearing it only when I’m forced to and won’t be changing it. Ridiculous.
na1 wrote: » Didn't you know that bars and restaurants have a natural immune to COVID-19?
Seanergy wrote: » https://twitter.com/jeremyphoward/status/1283505175206916096
Pkiernan wrote: » Just wear a mask ffs. A ventilator is a lot more uncomfortable
weldoninhio wrote: » Three people on ventilators in the entire country because of Covid. THREE.
circadian wrote: » I'm going to be frank with you here, I'm not going to get into a debate about some great manufacturing conspiracy while I have friends on ventilators.
weldoninhio wrote: » https://www.marktaliano.net/masks-dont-work-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covid-19-social-policy-by-denis-rancourt-phd-11-june-2020/ All the numerous studies above are wrong then??
Boggles wrote: » I thought you were getting a letter? :pac:
Me. Earlier. wrote: » Ah yeah I'll be on board with the usual American paranoia about big gubbernment from an outlet that is heavily skewed in that direction. The type that would be moronic enough to use a term like "plandemic". No doubt Bill Gates is out to get them too. Never mind the author makes a tonne of logical fallacies couched in duh big words that might work for your public school educated Yank already convinced the state is out to take their sh1t and give it to the poor, but doesn't stand up to much real scrutiny. Never mind that again for these chumps it's all about the me fein, protecting myself, nada about how masks and other measures protect others.
If I am to be defined by what I do, then define me as a supporter of civilization, a supporter of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, a supporter of the right to choose, a supporter of secular government and democracy. Define me as pushing against the wind, because Western governments oppose these things. Our governments oppose democracy in Syria and beyond. They oppose secular governance. They support anti-democratic fundamentalist interpretations of Sharia law, they support terrorism. Our governments support al Qaeda, ISIS and their affiliates. Our governments willfully destroy countries, create chaos, sectarianism and commit mass murder so they can control, loot, and plunder prey countries. I oppose this. Define me by my opposition to this and I won’t object. Our governments no longer represent decent people. How could they? Our governments and their agencies demonstrate time and again that they are vassals to NATO and to globalizing trajectories that are anti-Life, anti-democracy, anti-you and me. Define me in my opposition to NATO and to the dictatorship of publicly bailed-out “neoliberalism” and I won’t object. A fabricated groupthink has poisoned and corrupted us all. I oppose the messaging that makes us cogs in a mindless war machine. Define me by my opposition to the overseas holocaust that our governments create and sustain, and I won’t mind. But it isn’t just me. We are all being swept across a stormy frothing sea, rudderless, despairing. Not one of us is alone. When we find a common language of truth and peace, we will find salvation. The cancerous hands controlling our fates, our thoughts, our minds, keeping us apart, will be no more. Then we will be free.
timmy_mallet wrote: » Masks are risk reducers too, but utterly irrelevant outside of healthcare settings or inside a home with an infected person, yet they are seen as being mandatory. So called experts? Which 'experts' do you want to believe? The ones that your worldview relates to?
weldoninhio wrote: » Have a letter for the bus to work. I’m not gonna have it with me 24/7. I’m hardly gonna bring it to the pub with me and risk losing it. Or if I’m out with friends and want a can of coke.
