Deleted User wrote: » HOWEVER I think the reason people are scared about imported cases in this country is that we are a ISLAND. We have the ability to contain our cases within the State and have less movement of people , unlike European countries with open borders. Its great to see the progress we made, and a lot of of that was because we could limit travel and almost completely shut the country down during at the beginning.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » As a lay person I should not feel justified in calling these experts idiots. New Zealand is 6 hours flight time to it's nearest neighbour.
completedit wrote: » But about those Germans, I wonder what Spanish people think. Of course, the Germans want to justify their beach vacation.
[Deleted User] wrote: » They are experts in their field - epidemiology and infectious diseases. That's an important point - not in economics or public health policy. They should be listened to in conjunction with other experts. Noted and duly ignored should be the current response.
faceman wrote: » I get that but what I am saying is they dont even have additional staff in the airport to ensure forms are being completed there. Spain hired hundreds of additional airport staff, including medical, for airpots to ensure forms are completed and to do temperature checks. Its beyond me why as a simple first step we aren't doing the same.
dmcsweeney wrote: » Looking at the 14 day stats this morning from the ECDPC, Ireland is on 3.6/100k. Is Italy, at 4.6/100k likely to be on the green list?
Assetbacked wrote: » Exactly, it demonstrates the utter incompetence of the government to make decisions and the complete OTT influence given to NPHET guidance as well as the inconsistent, fear mongering media. Who suffers? The people who have followed the guidance the last few months, but now are looking at a hopelessly mixed message coming from the decision makers and the media; 1. Don't do foreign travel, yet flights are not restricted to Ireland and there is no testing or legal enforcement of the quarantining guidance so actually nothing will happen if you want to go abroad. 2. Do a stay-cation but actually pubs aren't allowed to open and if the weather is bad, tough, as hotels can't open gyms, pools and spas so there's not a lot for you to do. 3. Wear masks on public transport, it's mandatory but we still need to close off most of the seats on the bus for social distancing. Actually, it's not even being enforced as the drivers don't want to do it and what we said before about masks not being that important was nonsense. 4. We need to lockdown to flatten the curve which will enable our health service to be able to manage the cases that need treatment. For the majority of us, it won't be harmful, but for the vulnerable we need to ensure they can be treated. The same numbers will be infected over time but at least we won't overwhelm the health system. Actually, let's crush the curve. 5. Nursing homes, public visits do not need to be restricted. Actually, massive failure of the CMO and authorities resulting in most deaths from"with" covid occurring in nursing home settings. 6. BLM protests, traveller and Garda funerals okay but SF-attended funerals bad.
Hubertj wrote: » well said, but i wouldnt lay blame all with government - it is government derpartments that are to blame. It wouldnt matter who is in government, the same thing would be happening (or not happening)
Assetbacked wrote: » Exactly, it demonstrates the utter incompetence of the government to make decisions and the complete OTT influence given to NPHET guidance as well as the inconsistent, fear mongering media. Who suffers? The people who have followed the guidance the last few months, but now are looking at a hopelessly mixed message coming from the decision makers and the media; 1. Don't do foreign travel, yet flights are not restricted to Ireland and there is no testing or legal enforcement of the quarantining guidance so actually nothing will happen if you want to go abroad. 2. Do a stay-cation but actually pubs aren't allowed to open and if the weather is bad, tough, as hotels can't open gyms, pools and spas so there's not a lot for you to do. 3. Wear masks on public transport, it's mandatory but we still need to close off most of the seats on the bus for social distancing. Actually, it's not even being enforced as the drivers don't want to do it and what we said before about masks not being that important was nonsense. 4. We need to lockdown to flatten the curve which will enable our health service to be able to manage the cases that need treatment. For the majority of us, it won't be harmful, but for the vulnerable we need to ensure they can be treated. The same numbers will be infected over time but at least we won't overwhelm the health system. Actually, let's crush the curve. 5. Nursing homes, public visits do not need to be restricted. Actually, massive failure of the CMO and authorities resulting in most deaths from those "with" covid occurring in nursing home settings. 6. BLM protests, traveller and Garda funerals okay but SF-attended funerals bad.
fawlty682 wrote: » . If pubs not allowed to open, there will be war.
SimonTemplar wrote: » I note that the ECDC is showing 12.1/100k 14 day new cases in France. I think a lot of that is caused by their territories in South America. It would be good to see a figure just for the mainland.
Del Griffith wrote: So was the quarantine bull**** extended or not? I'm off Friday back Monday
faceman wrote: » No green list Monday for sure from what the papers are saying
Assetbacked wrote: » People will just keep meeting up in their homes and not social distancing as they have been doing for the past number of months. You'd think the notion of people meeting just appears with the pubs due to open; it is laughable. I would actually argue that the pub setting is better than the current situation as people will be told that it is table service only and tables are spread out. This doesn't happen at dinner parties and BBQs!
BringBackMick wrote: » The most pathetic thing I have heard all year. Arrest me when I visit my EU neighbours with lower COVID rates than here and dont isolate. What a shambles.
Mortelaro wrote: » Its not laughable as I'm sure you don't invite random strangers into your house That's effectively what you do going into a pub where there's no social distancing Theres no hepa filtered air in an indoor pub setting Theres talk this evening about doing something about house parties As we currently have a government that can bring in new legislation, their days unregulated are numbered You slap a big fine off the householders salary slip, taken directly by revenue and there'll soon be no more corona parties The handmaid's tale here we come, all because people can't be bothered to cop on
normanoffside wrote: » MM just said he won't be self-Isolating when he comes back from Brussels after this weekend. Will instead get tested on day 0 and Day 7. Nice for him.
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