ShineOn7 wrote: » That's .... not really how this virus works
YellowBucket wrote: » How can you “keep away from them” ?! Hotels, B&Bs etc will have loads of Irish domestic tourists, so will restaurants, pubs, shops and also public transport. It’s not like we place American or any other tourists into some kind of compound bubble or something. Being a tourist in Ireland is being very much part of day to day life in Ireland. It’s all about the mingling.
average_runner wrote: » Spain have struggled to get their numbers under 300, mostly over 400 this week, had two big local lockdown, closed 55 beaches due to.social distancing and now compulsory to wear masks in public in most parts of spain
Mortelaro wrote: » Tourist sites or hotels or bars not enforcing covid 19 regulations are breaking the law and can be closed You need to step back from those situations and report violations of the law to management and the gardai
bubblypop wrote: » And none of those things stop a virus from spreading. I know someone that caught covid 19, she lives alone, worked alone in an office, wages her hands regularly, sanitised her areas regularly, no contact with anyone unknown & no close contact with anyone known.
Mortelaro wrote: » It didn't fly in the window She did have close contact with someone who has the virus or forgot to wash her hands on some occasion and has forgotten this
bubblypop wrote: » No, she didn't.
Mortelaro wrote: » Social distancing and mingling are mutually exclusive concepts If you are socially distancing from tourists, you are not at risk Tourist sites or hotels or bars not enforcing covid 19 regulations are breaking the law and can be closed If you mingle with unknown people, it is you yourself that is putting yourself in danger You need to step back from those situations and report violations of the law to management and the gardai
Mortelaro wrote: » You have her under 24/7 surveillance?
bubblypop wrote: » No. But she knew exactly where she was & what she did, she did not have contact with anyone nor did she forget to wash her hands. The hospital think she may have got it from her grocery shopping
YellowBucket wrote: » So basically what you’re saying is contact tracing and restrictions should only apply to the local peasants, not our American overlords blissfully wandering around, having flown in from extremely high risk locations and we should just all depend on social distancing and nothing else? They don’t have contact tracing going on properly in the USA. There are still no real systems in place in many states. No apps and they aren’t sharing data or preventing people boarding flights. Right now we can’t even travel to the USA from Ireland as they’ve banned us from entry, but we are apparently terrified to offend Trump. The majority of Americans would very likely support our taking a pragmatic approach to inbound tourism right now. They’ve done just that themselves and may even have to deal with internal restrictions before long too. We can’t get back to business as usual if we can’t control the risks. If we can get US based visitors in, having tested them, great but they’ve an out of control pandemic going on over there at the moment and unless and until they get to grips with that we need to be prudent.
Mortelaro wrote: » Yeah,there's something she's not telling you or the hospital It didn't fly in the window
Mortelaro wrote: » There is full contact tracing in bars restaurants and hotels for everyone
YellowBucket wrote: » In the USA and that will link to flight data and onwards to Ireland? No there is not. And those tourists turning up in umpteen reports spent 14 days self isolating?! Seems very unlikely.
bubblypop wrote: » Listen. She has no reason to lie. She is not hiding anything.
Mortelaro wrote: » you don't know this Its possible but extremely unlikely to get covid 19 from shopping goods alright The chances that would be related to American tourists tinier still
bubblypop wrote: » American tourists can & do go wherever they want. They can touch anything or anyone they want. There is no real restrictions on their movements. They are coming from highly infected areas of America. I heard a couple interviewed on radio the other day, they said they were here in Ireland to travel around & escape from where they live, Florida, which is full of covid. Surely you can see an issue with that?
Outkast_IRE wrote: » We should be closed to tourists from high risk countries - end of story. How the **** we can all listen to NPHET each evening telling us to be careful , the R number is rising. Whilst at the same time we have American tourists flying here to escape their own country increasing the risk massively. The politicians need to grow a pair - enough is enough . They didnt close our borders quick enough at the start , and now they are going to drop the ball again leaving this unaddressed.
Mortelaro wrote: » Explain to me the impact so far of these American tourists on our disease situation then, over the last month The effect on our rate is negligible We have a 0.3% positivity rate in tests Reason for this success is simple,people are by and large social distancing from strangers when not drunk Our biggest problem looks to be corona parties and some bars that should lose their licence
Purple Mountain wrote: » What's really sad for me right now was I was respecting foregoing a foreign holiday this year. I had planned one or two nights this summer in a hotel or b and b somewhere in Ireland to get away and to support our domestic tourism. There's not a cat in hells chance I'm going anywhere now knowing the Irish tourist hot-spots might be hot with Covid risks from tourists from America/UK etc. I'll be using my annual leave to fix up the garden etc.
Purple Mountain wrote: » You know from the last 4 months that there is an incubation period with Corona. Watch this space for August.
Mortelaro wrote: » In all fairness,thats a very poor faith you have in hotels etc implementing covid 19 prevention regulations ,none of whom have an interest in cutting back on their cleaning regime I'm failing to see how customers of hotels would not be equally hygienic as its in their own interests Its all up to us now,we can be virus friendly or its enemy Its biggest enemy is people following guidelines
Purple Mountain wrote: » I'm sorry but I think you can have all the cleaning in the world and best intentions but one little droplet is all it takes. I don't just mean hotels but the shops, bars, restaurants, public toilets etc in the tourist traps. We really should have left Ireland to the Irish this summer. Anyone coming here from a current CoVid hot-spot is a selfish twat imo. I was due to go to the Canaries in April which were all but CoVid free back then. Even if the flight hadn't been cancelled, there wasn't a hope I was going over there when the Irish numbers were escalating and potentially be the one to be carrying it into another country.
Mortelaro wrote: » The answer is not closing down tourism blanketedly.You just apply focused pre arrival or airport local fast turnaround testing to make outcomes better than the good that they already are
ShineOn7 wrote: » The Americas (all of them) are seriously skewing that number though no? Apart from Sweden, Europe have pretty much controlled it now
threeball wrote: » I suppose they'll change the mattress every day just to be sure. You're away with the fairies. You haven't the foggiest how this disease operates.
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