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Jack Charlton has died

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https://twitter.com/LUFC/status/1281860781995261952?s=20

RIP to a legend of Irish and English sport.

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Richard Hillman

He was that guy that everyone called your uncle even though he wasn't related. An absolute titan of my childhood

Tom Mann Centuria

Love that Northampton Town played a part in his "style". The fun Charlton brother. He deserves to RIP.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/the-day-big-jack-charlton-talked-absolute-cobblers-428066.html

Purgative

Gutted

They were really great days. I can't be bothered with football these days but Italia 90 was something else.

RIP Jack.

Leg End Reject

RIP Jack.

I was never a football fan but have many happy memories of those years. The hope, anticipation and excitement of the time will never be equalled.

Church on Tuesday

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I don't think he really gets the credit he deserves from some quarters... he was a very shrewd manager and a proper old-school leader! His tactics gave us a fighting chance against even the best teams in the world...

Also took guts to manage the Ireland team, as an Englishman, while the IRA were still planting bombs in his home country. This is very rarely even mentioned about him. Great character, will be sadly missed. RIP big jack!

Not to take anything away from Charlton but we had a seriously talented group of players during his time which became somewhat blunted due to Jacks, er, robust tactics and style of play.

AMKC

R I.P Jack.

You are a legend now.

dasdog

What he did to this country you cannot measure. He was adored and will be sadly missed.

mikemac2

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Jack Charlton was one of only two people, to my knowledge, to have been given honourary Irish citizenship.

Pub quiz question - name the other one?

Chester Beatty was the first

Granted it by De Valera for donating his collection to the Irish State

ThewhiteJesus

What I liked about him was he was a proper man, tough and uncompromising, not like the metros of today

Dayjur

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Not to take anything away from Charlton but we had a seriously talented group of players during his time which became somewhat blunted due to Jacks, er, robust tactics and style of play.

always one football manager hero

washman3

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Not to take anything away from Charlton but we had a seriously talented group of players during his time which became somewhat blunted due to Jacks, er, robust tactics and style of play.

Is that you Eamon..?

banie01

Dayjur wrote: »

always one football manager hero

The funny thing is, Charlton's tactics used in the current game?

Would be called the high press and fast transition.

"Long ball" lessens the actual impact of what he achieved and over simplifies it.
Recognising our immediate attributes and as Jack was fond of saying.
Imposing our game on the opposition.

Strumms

Prior to Jack Ireland had never qualified for a FIFA World Cup or a European Championship. That’s how little impact football in Ireland had on the international stage.

In 1988 we qualified for the euros. Acquitted ourselves well. In 1990 we qualified, reached the quarter final of the World Cup, narrowly loosing to Italy. We went from practically a team there to make up the numbers to being one of the last 8 teams in the competition. Imagine we were a goal or two from a World Cup semi final. That’s what Jack and the lads did for us. 1990 was a summer of pure joy...the happiness

1994 I was over in New York, there only a teenager...Ray Houghton scored at the other end of Giants stadium, place went mad. The sheer amount of happiness enjoyed by Irish people that day and for a while to come was unmatched...

The impact Jack had on many of our lives, our enjoyment, excitement and joy of being Irish... great times, he was a great guy..uncompromising, driven, smart and a gent.

Church on Tuesday

Dayjur wrote: »

always one football manager hero

It's a myth that Ireland had a poor squad and had to be plucky just because Jack was brought in, anyone with even a passing interest in football would tell you that.

We had players that could actually play football, all of them or most playing for the top sides in England.

That doesn't tally with the whole Ole Ole nonsense though.

Dayjur

banie01 wrote: »

The funny thing is, Charlton's tactics used in the current game?

Would be called the high press and fast transition.

"Long ball" lessens the actual impact of what he achieved and over simplifies it.
Recognising our immediate attributes and as Jack was fond of saying.
Imposing our game on the opposition.

it certainly is used and unfortunately with devastating efficiency in the current liverpool team

Strumms

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

It's a myth that Ireland had a poor squad and had to be plucky just because Jack was brought in, anyone with even a passing interest in football would tell you that.

We had players that could actually play football, all of them or most playing for the top sides in England.

That doesn't tally with the whole Ole Ole nonsense though.

True...Eoin Hand had players who could play too, at the peak of their powers, but he wasn’t chartering a jet to a World Cup or Euros...

https://www.11v11.com/teams/republic-of-ireland/tab/players/season/1986/

United, Liverpool, Celtic, Spurs, Arsenal, Newcastle players...

anewme

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

It's a myth that Ireland had a poor squad and had to be plucky just because Jack was brought in, anyone with even a passing interest in football would tell you that.

We had players that could actually play football, all of them or most playing for the top sides in England.

That doesn't tally with the whole Ole Ole nonsense though.

A team can achieve nothing without a leader, no matter how much talent any individual has. Just heard John Aldridge say on the news that the team would do anything for him. Paul McGrath just described losing a father figure. That’s what gets results.

What he brought to Our country is way beyond football. He taught us we can dream big and achieve at a time when we most needed it.

Today is a day for Ole, Ole, Ole.

mick087

God is dead.

The memory of beating in England 1988 as a kid will stay with me for ever.
My parents and brothers was screaming and shouting dancing it was fantastic.
That game changed football in Ireland, Football in Ireland then exploded.

1990 will never ever be surpassed, as a kid Dad came home early from work and we all went to the pub to it was late.
The parties the flags i think 1990 was the best year in my life a year i wont ever forget.

Good or bad team what it did for the country was unbelievable at the time.

Jack is a football legend for Ireland

itac

Damien360 wrote: »

Has anyone found the original clip of Jack at the Aviva. I remember seeing it on TV at the time on rte news I think and there was no stupid commentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Some commentary on this link that someone shared on twitter earlier, but you can hear the crowd break into another “We’re all part of Jackie’s army...” toward the end.

It’s so difficult to put into words how much he meant, and will always mean to a nation of dreamers who he helped become achievers. I don’t remember ‘88 properly but I remember so well how Italia 90 changed & united us so much at a time when we really needed it.
He really was something else, and the legacy he leaves behind is a testament to the great man he was.

PGE1970

In 1990, Ireland was a depressing place to be. There were no jobs and we were, essentially, a third world country.

But the summer of 1990 was the most exciting time of my life. I was 20, on the dole, skint and there was f ** k all to look forward to.

And then we had the most magical 4 weeks ever. Where people cried, laughed and hugged. Where we stood up and were proud to be Irish.

The nation held its breath and we put 'em under pressure.

You had to be there.

RIP Jack. Thank you for giving the country hope.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Not to take anything away from Charlton but we had a seriously talented group of players during his time which became somewhat blunted due to Jacks, er, robust tactics and style of play.

A lot of our most talented technical players were coming to end of their careers when Charlton came in... namely Brady and Whelan.

We tried to play technical passing football under previous managers like Giles and Eoin Hand, but got nowhere with it.

Your view is quite typical of the (admittedly small) cohort of football revisionists in this country, who think Charlton underachieved. When in fact his record suggests that he actually overachieved.

This attitude is mostly just borne out of the fact that people found his style of football to be unsophisticated and uncultured. It's football snobbery basically... and you guys are incapable of looking beyond what you see as an ugly style of play, and recognising that it was hugely effective and efficient.

But this is actually part of the reason I loved Big Jack... he put a lot of people's noses out of joint... he did it HIS way, and all the football snobs and purists simply had to sit there bite their lip and accept it... because we got results and nobody enjoyed playing against us!

TheValeyard

RIP Jack. Legend of a man. We really were part of the team in the 90s

Masala

There’s a lovely bronze statue of him fishing at cork Airport. A fitting tribute.

I will always cherish my OPEL jersey. Wouldn’t sell it for all the tea in Yorkshire

Beechwoodspark

RIP Big Jack and condolences to his family

Best manager of Ireland during my time watching the national team. And a great character.

Temptamperu

I havent been a football fan since 1990. This news sure smarts though.

Masala

Will Michael D go over for funeral.... it deserves a big representative from Ireland to say THANKS JACK

SEPT 23 1989

Masala wrote: »

Will Michael D go over for funeral.... it deserves a big representative from Ireland to say THANKS JACK

He loves his football so I'm sure he will

Heckler

This was along with Jacks Army the anthem. Nancy spains back bar big screen. 17 years old. Jesus Christ when did I get old....

Mysterypunter

Masala wrote: »

Will Michael D go over for funeral.... it deserves a big representative from Ireland to say THANKS JACK

Must do surely, Jack was a real credit to himself and England, and embraced the culture and customs of this country without any bull or politics, was a straight talker, and a clever thinker, way ahead of what the perception of him was as a manager, he got the best out of his players, trusted them to do a job, and they all bought into his vision, the kick and rush nonsense was correct to a degree, but it was the likes of Dunphy, a bitter man who had very little pedigree in the game, who tried to enhance his profile by baiting Jack Charlton. They played some very good stuff, and achieved incredible results, if you want style points, watch ballet dancing or gymnastics, there is more than one way to play, and he found a winning system. Ireland had a great generation of players, but they may have been wasted without Jack, who was the glue to stick them all together. Add this to the fact that the FAI are a shambolic organisation, and that might give you an idea of the magnitude of that team and their achievements. On the Wednesday after beating England at Euro 88, they outplayed The USSR, who were a very strong side, and were desperately unlucky to draw 1-1. The following Saturday, needing a draw to reach the semi finals, Ireland were undone by a horrible spinning freak goal, by the Dutch, who were 0-0 for 82 minutes. The tournament concluded with the Dutch winning, defeating USSR 2-0, including a fantastic Marco Van Basten goal. The finalists were both in Irelands group, and Ireland more than held their own against them. This was not kick and rush football at all. More importantly it gave the players belief that they could compete at a high level, and raised expectations, Jack and the team gave us hope for the future, he was a hugely positive influence, and the memories he left behind will live forever. RIP, and thanks Jackie.

Church on Tuesday

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

A lot of our most talented technical players were coming to end of their careers when Charlton came in... namely Brady and Whelan.

We tried to play technical passing football under previous managers like Giles and Eoin Hand, but got nowhere with it.

Your view is quite typical of the (admittedly small) cohort of football revisionists in this country, who think Charlton underachieved. When in fact his record suggests that he actually overachieved.

This attitude is mostly just borne out of the fact that people found his style of football to be unsophisticated and uncultured. It's football snobbery basically... and you guys are incapable of looking beyond what you see as an ugly style of play, and recognising that it was hugely effective and efficient.

But this is actually part of the reason I loved Big Jack... he put a lot of people's noses out of joint... he did it HIS way, and all the football snobs and purists simply had to sit there bite their lip and accept it... because we got results and nobody enjoyed playing against us!

People tend to confuse a cultural zeitgeist moment for a nation with the hard facts of Charlton's time as manager. The passing of time and over sentimentality has no doubt played a part in this.

Obviously under Jack there were some great moments; beating England and the most memorable of all, beating Italy in the Giants Stadium are, in and of themselves, outstanding sporting achievements.

However the football deployed under Charlton was dire. Like really dire. Which is a shame because we actually had some very talented players, who under a better manager could have literally achieved anything.

People point out Hand and Giles; neither were exceptional by any standard as managers and were seen as relatively safe bets by the FAI at the time, as was Jack. The man achieved his initial remit; get Ireland to a major tournament and he did just that and even repeated it on another two occasions, which is a fair achievement, but lets not fool ourselves here that the man is/was the savior of Irish football when the talent was already there but essentially wasted by the conservatism and usual shortsightedness of the FAI.

But sure look, Ole Ole away.