99nsr125 wrote: » How about a comparable virus spread in the same way not just other viruses. Rabies is present in saliva in sufficient concentration to transmit via inhalation of droplets and contact with your eyes. Hence the entire don't touch your face and wash your hands guidelines. We live with it but don't lockdown the half of the world that has it in circulation.
99nsr125 wrote: » And your antibodies will return you to health this is undeniable. Your other choice is to runaway and that destroys everything, advocating for that kills everyone and everything. Life in a bunker is no more than waiting to die and forcing other people to do the same is bestowing a death sentence on everyone else.
Bit cynical wrote: » Some countries however are likely to fare quite badly economically. France, for example, are forecast to shrink in GDP by about 12% (IMF), 10% (Banque de France). Spain's GDP is set to shrink by 13% (IMF). Even Germany's GDP will shrink by 8% (IMF) and they had a fairly mild coronavirus outbreak. In contrast, Sweden's central bank has revised their forecast from about -9% (is that right Charlie14?) to the latest of -4.1% as more information comes in about the actual impact. The IMF still has them at -6.8% however. The general trend in the forecasts seems to be that Sweden's gets more benign and other countries more severe as the information comes in.
charlie14 wrote: » Your point was that our own antibodies would return us to health. Sweden went with that train of thought in their strategy. Based on modelling figures they assumed that those infected would develop antibodies in high enough numbers that should there be a recurrence those numbers would provide herd immunity. Sweden`s own tests have shown that not to be the case with just 6.1% nationally having developed antibodies where the absolute minimum for herd immunity is 60%. Tests by others such as Spain and France have shown the same national levels. Even with the small percentages that have tested positive for antibodies, it is unknown how effective their antibodies would be in the event of another wave. Or even how long that effectiveness will last for.
greyday wrote: » HIV and Hepatitis
is_that_so wrote: » Projections are for about the same economic fall as the rest of us and unemployment up to about 10%.
bb1234567 wrote: » Wow at USA criticising Sweden. Sweden may have a high proportion of deaths currently but their death rate is down to a trickle now while USA is approaching an enormous second peak currently, they will very likely overtake Sweden is deaths per capita in the near future.
AdamD wrote: » I've no idea whether the Swedish economy was hit just as bad or not, but neither of those articles prove a thing. The first has 0 statistics and the second is basing its argument around the drop in consumer confidence figures.
Deleted User wrote: » Why are you bothering Boggles? You're arguing with someone who thinks that where a newspaper is located automatically invalidates anything it's worldwide journalists might write. Is there any point in even trying to converse with someone like that? The economic trajectory of Sweden is clear. The coronavirus trajectory of Sweden is clear. Still there's a few holdouts who keep posting the most ludicrous 'arguments' and running away every time someone replies with actual evidence.
greyday wrote: » The Swedish reporting is completely wrong due to their summer shut down, you can be guaranteed it will be much higher than at present when they finally get around to publishing their most recent deaths.
Boggles wrote: » The USA is not criticizing Sweden. The journalist is the European economic correspondent, he is pointing out the fact that Sweden's economy nose dived anyway so not locking down just caused 1000s of needless deaths. Maybe, you know actually read the actual article.
The Swedish economy expanded at a far superior rate than many of its European counterparts over the first three months of the year, data published Friday showed, following the government’s decision not to impose a full lockdown to contain the spread of the coronavirus. The Nordic country’s statistics office reported gross domestic product (GDP), the broadest measure of economic health, grew at an annual rate of 0.4% in the first quarter. Sweden’s GDP increased by 0.1% in the first quarter, when seasonally adjusted and compared to the final three months of 2019. The median forecasters in a Reuters poll of economists had expected to see a 0.6% contraction on a quarterly basis.
Back in April, it became clear that Florida was intentionally hiding a list of daily deaths that had previously been compiled by county medical examiners. Since that time, those examiners, as well as hospitals and local officials, have complained that the number of COVID-19 deaths being reported in Governor Ron DeSantis regular updates, doesn’t match what they’re seeing in their areas. Last week, the scientist behind Florida’s COVID-19 dashboard was fired after she says she refused to alter numbers as she was told.
greyday wrote: » The yanks know they fecked up but still have 40% less than Sweden over respective populations.
cnocbui wrote: » A US newspaper saying Sweden could have done better. Irony of epic proportions.
greyday wrote: » The recent reported figures from Sweden will be multiples in a few weeks when they clear the backlog of unreported deaths. The NY Times seems to think they could have done better by following their neighbours.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html?referringSource=articleShare
99nsr125 wrote: » You're answering a point I didn't make . . . . Restrictions will slow spread but that's treatment of a symptom not the ailment and that's the crux that is lost in the narrative
Goldengirl wrote: » Could be , but no translate service on that link, on my side anyhow , so all Finnish to me !
Boggles wrote: » No, it's up to date for me. 302 cases yesterday, 12 Deaths.
RebelButtMunch wrote: » Are sweden not reporting numbers any more?https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ Jun 29th last date there.
is_that_so wrote: » Colm Henry has more than once pointed out they make calls on a case by case basis as to where the best place for such patients is. Hospital and ICU may not be that place.
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