greyday wrote: » If time can be stretched out to decades as with other viruses?
charlie14 wrote: » Sweden had the idea that letting the virus spread would result in herd immunity. Their antibody tests have shown a national antibody level of 6.1%. As Annika Linde the former Sweden state epidemiologist who initially supported the idea put it as regards herd immunity, "a dream with little basis in reality" Even for the small percentage that have tested positive for antibodies, nobody knows what level of immunity they will provide or how long it will be effective. The less people who get infected, the less die. It`s as simple as that, and that is what restrictions like lockdown do. It is what resulted in less deaths in St Louis in 1918, in Sweden`s Nordic neighbours this year, and what Linde now says should have been done in Sweden.
99nsr125 wrote: » And your example is ?
biko wrote: » Finnish Public Service about the Swedish strategy:https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11433976
deconduo wrote: » https://theweek.com/speedreads/924238/sweden-literally-gained-nothing-from-staying-open-during-covid19-including-no-economic-gains Article suggests there's been no economic benefit from Sweden's strategy.
Seamai wrote: » That's a pretty shocking article, makes the elderly sound like an inconvenience to be despatched with as quickly as possible.
is_that_so wrote: » Colm Henry has more than once pointed out they make calls on a case by case basis as to where the best place for such patients is. Hospital and ICU may not be that place.
Goldengirl wrote: » Could be , but no translate service on that link, on my side anyhow , so all Finnish to me !
RebelButtMunch wrote: » Are sweden not reporting numbers any more?https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ Jun 29th last date there.
Boggles wrote: » No, it's up to date for me. 302 cases yesterday, 12 Deaths.
99nsr125 wrote: » You're answering a point I didn't make . . . . Restrictions will slow spread but that's treatment of a symptom not the ailment and that's the crux that is lost in the narrative
greyday wrote: » The recent reported figures from Sweden will be multiples in a few weeks when they clear the backlog of unreported deaths. The NY Times seems to think they could have done better by following their neighbours.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html?referringSource=articleShare
cnocbui wrote: » A US newspaper saying Sweden could have done better. Irony of epic proportions.
greyday wrote: » The yanks know they fecked up but still have 40% less than Sweden over respective populations.
bb1234567 wrote: » Wow at USA criticising Sweden. Sweden may have a high proportion of deaths currently but their death rate is down to a trickle now while USA is approaching an enormous second peak currently, they will very likely overtake Sweden is deaths per capita in the near future.
greyday wrote: » The Swedish reporting is completely wrong due to their summer shut down, you can be guaranteed it will be much higher than at present when they finally get around to publishing their most recent deaths.
Back in April, it became clear that Florida was intentionally hiding a list of daily deaths that had previously been compiled by county medical examiners. Since that time, those examiners, as well as hospitals and local officials, have complained that the number of COVID-19 deaths being reported in Governor Ron DeSantis regular updates, doesn’t match what they’re seeing in their areas. Last week, the scientist behind Florida’s COVID-19 dashboard was fired after she says she refused to alter numbers as she was told.
Boggles wrote: » The USA is not criticizing Sweden. The journalist is the European economic correspondent, he is pointing out the fact that Sweden's economy nose dived anyway so not locking down just caused 1000s of needless deaths. Maybe, you know actually read the actual article.
The Swedish economy expanded at a far superior rate than many of its European counterparts over the first three months of the year, data published Friday showed, following the government’s decision not to impose a full lockdown to contain the spread of the coronavirus. The Nordic country’s statistics office reported gross domestic product (GDP), the broadest measure of economic health, grew at an annual rate of 0.4% in the first quarter. Sweden’s GDP increased by 0.1% in the first quarter, when seasonally adjusted and compared to the final three months of 2019. The median forecasters in a Reuters poll of economists had expected to see a 0.6% contraction on a quarterly basis.
Deleted User wrote: » Why are you bothering Boggles? You're arguing with someone who thinks that where a newspaper is located automatically invalidates anything it's worldwide journalists might write. Is there any point in even trying to converse with someone like that? The economic trajectory of Sweden is clear. The coronavirus trajectory of Sweden is clear. Still there's a few holdouts who keep posting the most ludicrous 'arguments' and running away every time someone replies with actual evidence.
AdamD wrote: » I've no idea whether the Swedish economy was hit just as bad or not, but neither of those articles prove a thing. The first has 0 statistics and the second is basing its argument around the drop in consumer confidence figures.
is_that_so wrote: » Projections are for about the same economic fall as the rest of us and unemployment up to about 10%.
greyday wrote: » HIV and Hepatitis
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