rdwight wrote: » I've never been to a funeral at a cemetery when the the deceased was going to cremated several miles away.
Bowie wrote: » That's pretty desperate. You've never been to a funeral with a cremation? It's usually the exact same except theres no graveside burial.
Mortelaro wrote: » I don't expect there to be any fines to be meated out Attached is a quick Google for you You will need a sub to search the Irish Times by day The specific regulation will be on ni.gov.co.uk somewhere If you haven't found them yourself by later,I'll certainly look them up for you several news outlets yesterday and the day before
dundalkfc10 wrote: » More talk yet again in here than on the Govt thread even after their first week went tits up from day 1 and is getting worse
joeguevara wrote: » Had a look. That fine in the Irish Times sscreenshot for 1k is for breaches of travel from outside the CTA and Republic. Social distancing for first o ffence is €90. Nothing about funerals. Nothing about only family members and nothing about 30. Looks like there is nothing Sinn Fein can actually apologise for.
Happyilylost wrote: » https://www.thejournal.ie/bobby-storey-funeral-5137876-Jun2020/It comes after the North’s health minister – unionist Robin Swann – said the large number of attendees at the funeral today was a clear breach of Stormont restrictions limiting public gatherings to 30 people during the Covid-19 pandemic restrictions.
blanch152 wrote: » I think that really shows what people think of the Sinn Fein shenanigans.
blanch152 wrote: » I have never seen a coffin brought to say DeansGrange or Mulhuddart graveyards before going to Glasnevin for cremation. A fake funeral for political purposes certainly seems to be where we are at now.
FrancieBrady wrote: » When any party turn out for a funeral of a member and give a graveside oration and guard of honour etc...is that a funeral for 'political purposes' too?
Bowie wrote: » Means nothing. I couldn't tell you were the people were cremated at the ones I was at. It didn't play into the service.
joeguevara wrote: » Many thanks. Now, what law was broken? Highlighting the words of a newspaper and unionist is all well and good, but was a law broken? Just to be clear - guidance is not a law.
joeguevara wrote: » Had a look. That fine in the Irish Times sscreenshot for 1k is for breaches of travel from outside the CTA and Republic. Social distancing for first offence is €90. Nothing about funerals. Nothing about only family members and nothing about 30. Looks like there is nothing Sinn Fein can actually apologise for.
Happyilylost wrote: » Highlighted the words of the Northern Ireland Health Minister. I'm guessing he knows more about it than me. You said SF had nothing to apologies for? I think whether its law or guidance those that set the rules shouldn't be the ones to break them. Makes it harder to preach to others about complying with "guidance" when the rule markers won't even follow them.
Mortelaro wrote: » They are new powers adopted by Stormont from the emergency covid 19 laws passed in Westminster it seems See attached
joeguevara wrote: » I never said they have have nothing to apologise for. I said if there is no law broken it is difficult for them to apologise. If its so important, it should be law. If its guidance, then if broken its not serious. If rule makers want it followed, make it law, if not don't call for resignations if not followed.
Happyilylost wrote: » Nobody ever had to break a law to apologize for something. Not sure where you found a bar to set that high.https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/coronavirus-covid-19-regulations-guidance-family-and-community Funeral services can be conducted in a place of worship or in a funeral home. The size and circumstances of the venue will determine the maximum number that can attend the service safely whilst observing social distancing of at least two metres, wherever possible. It is recommended that face coverings are used for indoor services.Whilst the number of mourners at a funeral service will be determined by the size of the venue following risk assessment, a maximum of only 30 are permitted to gather for the committal at the graveside.
markodaly wrote: » A graveside oration, when the person in question was to be cremated several miles away. It is all a little bit odd and staged tbh. Right out of the Trump playbook. It was a fake funeral to fill the SF history books of tomorrow to tell us all how Storey was a great man and Republican and a bank robber to boot.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Absolutely, it was staged.
joeguevara wrote: » Im asking for broken laws not broken spirits. Please try again and does it ever say specifically about family members carrying coffins. Also please reference the date of the ceremony to the law. Please don't use 'looks like' if you don't know the answer.
joeguevara wrote: » Each area is different. I don't think (subject to anyone showing me otherwise) there was a breach of any law in northern Ireland. If not it makes all discussion on the matter moot.
markodaly wrote: » Staged and fake.
Bowie wrote: » You haven't lived obviously You lads are desperate to squeeze anything out of this. Family wanted the funeral they had. That's all you need to know.
joeguevara wrote: » If there are being called to resign I would say at least a law, and a serious one at that, would have to be broken. So can you say was there a law broken? There was no committal at the graveside. Notwithstanding that there was no committal, is the 30 maximum law or guidance. Is it a family who are in charge and who is to say that the Sinn Fein members weren't part of the 30.
Happyilylost wrote: » https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/publications/health-protection-coronavirus-restrictions-northern-ireland-regulations-2020https://www.psni.police.uk/advice_information/COVID-19/ CORONAVIRUS EMERGENCY POWERS The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Northern Ireland) Regulations 2020 were introduced by the Northern Ireland Executive on 28th March, 2020. You can find details of the Regulations at: https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/publications/health-protection-coronavirus-restrictions-northern-ireland-regulations-2020 What does this mean for you? This means that if a person commits an offence of failing to comply with any such direction or restriction imposed on them without reasonable excuse, officers will consider an appropriate disposal. That may initially be advice and guidance or a Community Resolution Notice (CRN). However, if required Police will enforce this legislation and issue a penalty notice of £60. The issuance of a penalty notice in the first instance is not in itself a criminal offence – the Police do not want to criminalise people - we simply want to ensure that people follow the regulations. For those who continue to disregard the NI Executive directions, the fine can be doubled each time and summary prosecution can be sought for those who refuse to pay or comply. The £60 fine can fall to £30 if paid within 14 days. If a person has already received a fixed penalty notice, the amount will increase to £120 and double on each further repeat offence.
rdwight wrote: » An option open only to the families of IRA members apparently.
joeguevara wrote: » Ok I had a read of that. It says any member can attend a funeral. Nothing about 30 people. So again what law was broken? Its fine if you say you don't think any law was.
