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Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

Mrcaramelchoc

Are you traveling outside of Ireland in the next few weeks?will you go now because the coronavirus is getting worse or will you cancel?
Im due to go to prague in 2 weeks and i don't know if i should?

Mod: It has been suggested to merge this with the main Corona thread, but I think a dedicated thread about travel has merit. If it becomes too much like the main thread, I'll just merge the two.

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copeyhagen

DebDynamite wrote: »

To be fair, maybe we do know something. We’re doing the best in Europe at the moment with no further localised lockdowns. We’re practically fully opened up again internally. Maybe we should aim for a full opening up of the country, try and get kids back to school, which will in turn allow parents to get back to work. Would that not helping the economy more than the small amount of tourists we’ll get into the country compared to the usual numbers, and the amount of Irish holiday makers leaving the country to go to the sun.

We should concentrate on getting the kids back to school first and see how we fare with all pubs open, and then we should open up for travel

we're already open for travel, im in swords and have seen loads of Spanish/Italian looking people walking around with suitcases in the last few days.

spockety

joseywhales wrote: »

A mandatory throat swab on every traveller would deter those who want to travel but don't need to travel.

One of those swabs that goes right to the sinus.

Ok so now we're moving beyond the begrudgery phase into the "let's torture them" phase

bladespin

DebDynamite wrote: »

We should concentrate on getting the kids back to school first and see how we fare with all pubs open, and then we should open up for travel

We are open for travel, that's the thing, they're advising us not to while allowing those form other countries to come with no real restriction.

DebDynamite

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There's only a handful of countries that would get onto the green list at the moment based off the sound bites we keep hearing. The likes of Spain, France etc probably wouldn't be on them. I really don't see it making much of a difference at this stage. People can make up their own minds if they want to go somewhere or not.

But sure look we must know something that everyone else in Europe doesn't, it's almost a month since travel began in the EU block again in decent numbers.

To be fair, maybe we do know something. We’re doing the best in Europe at the moment with no further localised lockdowns. We’re practically fully opened up again internally. Maybe we should aim for a full opening up of the country, try and get kids back to school, which will in turn allow parents to get back to work. Would that not helping the economy more than the small amount of tourists we’ll get into the country compared to the usual numbers, and the amount of Irish holiday makers leaving the country to go to the sun.

We should concentrate on getting the kids back to school first and see how we fare with all pubs open, and then we should open up for travel

bladespin

stargazer 68 wrote: »

I think the HSE takes a different view.

Show me where please? I've checked the HSE website and the only legal requirement on re-entry that I'm aware of is that you complete the form, personally I would inform them but I'm not aware of a legal requirement to.

stargazer 68

bladespin wrote: »

This is not a legal requirement, the legistlation stating your obligation on re-entry has not been changed (yet) that is an requirement of your own employer, that, in itself is a change to your terms and conditions of employment; unless specifically stated in an agreement before the fact, if your employer has tried this underhand tactic I would recommend you seek advice.

I think the HSE takes a different view.

Limpy

Back in the 80s we had Pope JP and JFK adorning the mantle peice, now they'll have Tony and Leo :-[

bladespin

stargazer 68 wrote: »

We have to add 2 weeks onto our leave. Leave may not be approved as the service needs have to be looked at first to take into account the 2 week quarantine on return.

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Certainly not made up - see above. I don’t agree with this approach, I think it is creating a new area of workplace disputes, and I would expect it is subject to challenge in the CJEU.

This is not a legal requirement, the legistlation stating your obligation on re-entry has not been changed (yet) that is an requirement of your own employer, that, in itself is a change to your terms and conditions of employment; unless specifically stated in an agreement before the fact, if your employer has tried this underhand tactic I would recommend you seek advice.

d15ude

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Not quite so straight forward. The self isolation is now requiring many people to notify their employers and to take unpaid leave on their return. I have heard of places who are now asking this even where they have informed staff they will not be required to be physically in the office.

The self isolation is only advise.
Same as as you should not smoke or binge drink...

Why would I tell my employer where is go on holidays?
That's none of his concern.

Limpy

facehugger99 wrote: »

For me, it's the Karen's who've panic-canceled their holidays and now deeply begrudge other people going, that give me the most laughs.

They must be the same Karen's commenting on the journal articles ffs.

faceman

facehugger99 wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53320155

80% of people testing positive have no symptoms what-so-ever but the politicians and RTE don't want you going on your holidays.

The coming weeks, months and years will prove just how hysterical the overreaction to this virus has been - of course it will be far too late by then and countless billions will have been flushed down the toilet.

I'll be heading off for my 2-weeks away shortly. The attempted guilt-tripping from the fear-cave brigade is making it all the sweeter.

Tbf, the initial overreaction is somewhat justified. We now have evidence that the overall death rate in Ireland (and other countries who publish the data) did increase in April and May compared to the same periods in prior years. That means that C19 did cause additional deaths.

However as demonstrated by other countries and not Ireland, we must adapt to the new normal as a country and have plans and procedures to manage future outbreaks rather than blanket restrictions.

MickeyLeari

bladespin wrote: »

Unless things have changed dramatically there is no obligation to tell your employer (it's probably the right thing to do though). You are not obliged to take any unpaid leave on return, where did you make that up from?

Certainly not made up - see above. I don’t agree with this approach, I think it is creating a new area of workplace disputes, and I would expect it is subject to challenge in the CJEU.

facehugger99

joseywhales wrote: »

A mandatory throat swab on every traveller would deter those who want to travel but don't need to travel.

One of those swabs that goes right to the sinus.

For me, it's the Karen's who've panic-canceled their holidays and now deeply begrudge other people going, that give me the most laughs.

stargazer 68

bladespin wrote: »

Unless things have changed dramatically there is no obligation to tell your employer (it's probably the right thing to do though). You are not obliged to take any unpaid leave on return, where did you make that up from?

We have to add 2 weeks onto our leave. Leave may not be approved as the service needs have to be looked at first to take into account the 2 week quarantine on return.

bladespin

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Not quite so straight forward. The self isolation is now requiring many people to notify their employers and to take unpaid leave on their return. I have heard of places who are now asking this even where they have informed staff they will not be required to be physically in the office.

Unless things have changed dramatically there is no obligation to tell your employer (it's probably the right thing to do though). You are not obliged to take any unpaid leave on return, where did you make that up from?

joseywhales

A mandatory throat swab on every traveller would deter those who want to travel but don't need to travel.

One of those swabs that goes right to the sinus.

MickeyLeari

d15ude wrote: »

The airport is open, flights are coming and going.
If you don't travel, that's your own decision.

Not quite so straight forward. The self isolation is now requiring many people to notify their employers and to take unpaid leave on their return. I have heard of places who are now asking this even where they have informed staff they will not be required to be physically in the office.

copeyhagen

ronoc wrote: »

Nice cherry picking there. The actual quote from the article is:

"Only 22% of people testing positive for coronavirus reported having symptoms on the day of their test"

Enjoy your holidays.

yeah ,so they had covid and had no syptoms. they didnt catch it 2 minutes before they got tested

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facehugger99 wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53320155

80% of people testing positive have no symptoms what-so-ever but the politicians and RTE don't want you going on your holidays.

The coming weeks, months and years will prove just how hysterical the overreaction to this virus has been - of course it will be far too late by then and countless billions will have been flushed down the toilet.

I'll be heading off for my 2-weeks away shortly. The attempted guilt-tripping from the fear-cave brigade is making it all the sweeter.

Nice cherry picking there. The actual quote from the article is:

"Only 22% of people testing positive for coronavirus reported having symptoms on the day of their test"

Enjoy your holidays.

facehugger99

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53320155

80% of people testing positive have no symptoms what-so-ever but the politicians and RTE don't want you going on your holidays.

The coming weeks, months and years will prove just how hysterical the overreaction to this virus has been - of course it will be far too late by then and countless billions will have been flushed down the toilet.

I'll be heading off for my 2-weeks away shortly. The attempted guilt-tripping from the fear-cave brigade is making it all the sweeter.

d15ude

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Honestly the more I read the crap from the Government the more pi**ed off I get! I'm a Healthcare worker and have spent that last 5 months at work - covering my own job as well as the jobs of 3 other people who were signed off as vulnerable.

All I want is a few days on a beach, with sun, a book and beer! But no, the Government and the HSE have decided I can't have that. I have to spend my holidays here in Ireland in the lashings of rain, costing a fortune, can't use a hotel spa (not opened yet), can't sit in the bar for a few beers - they aren't opened yet either! I can have a beer with my dinner though but can only stay 105 minutes. Jeez thanks!

Feck sake!

The airport is open, flights are coming and going.
If you don't travel, that's your own decision.

josip

LilyShame wrote: »

If the risk is there with regards to travelling on a pre covid booked holiday....

why won't they ground flights?

Because then the insurance industry will have to pay out.
And the insurance industry will look for the state to compensate them.
And at this stage the state can't afford it.
So they'll try to guilt the citizens into absorbing the cost.

LilyShame

If the risk is there with regards to travelling on a pre covid booked holiday....

why won't they ground flights?

Micky 32

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

If everyone stays in this country, we have the opportunity to limit the spread within the country, yes, there is a risk that people can travel into Ireland with covid, but if we don’t travel out and return there is less risk of it spreading within this country.

The virus WILL never be eradicated unless we get a vaccine. So how long should we not travel for? Indefinately? You do realise a lot of people have family abroad.

stephenjmcd

Micky 32 wrote: »

Ryan would love to see less people going abroad anyway, he’ll be more anti aviation because of the climate change shyte.

Wonder what the chances of France getting on the green list, that’s if a list is published this year.

There's only a handful of countries that would get onto the green list at the moment based off the sound bites we keep hearing. The likes of Spain, France etc probably wouldn't be on them. I really don't see it making much of a difference at this stage. People can make up their own minds if they want to go somewhere or not.

But sure look we must know something that everyone else in Europe doesn't, it's almost a month since travel began in the EU block again in decent numbers.

Micky 32

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And people thought Shane Ross was bad
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0707/1151833-coronavirus-travel/

Ryan would love to see less people going abroad anyway, he’ll be more anti aviation because of the climate change shyte.

Wonder what the chances of France getting on the green list, that’s if a list is published this year.

spockety

Tenzor07 wrote: »

What's the end game on this then? Elimination? How long should we limit travel for?

The end game seems to be only allowing travel between countries where it has been completely eliminated. Is that possible or practical? Hmm.

Tenzor07

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

If everyone stays in this country, we have the opportunity to limit the spread within the country, yes, there is a risk that people can travel into Ireland with covid, but if we don’t travel out and return there is less risk of it spreading within this country.

What's the end game on this then? Elimination? How long should we limit travel for?

Assetbacked

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

Or you could think of it in a way that the Irish government would prefer if we didn’t travel to countries which we can’t monitor/track the interactions between people, so contract tracing becomes impossible.

If everyone stays in this country, we have the opportunity to limit the spread within the country, yes, there is a risk that people can travel into Ireland with covid, but if we don’t travel out and return there is less risk of it spreading within this country.

How does this opinion sit with tourists arriving into Ireland? Before you say we "should" prevent them coming in, just to let you know we are not doing this.

Irishphotodesk

LilyShame wrote: »

I was just thinking of all the health care workers who deserve one month off... Go to the sun for 2 weeks and Lockdown at home for 2 weeks.. At this stage the Government have made an arse of the whole situation. The weather here is just dreadful now. Irish ppl never holidayed in Ireland for 2 weeks... The Americans etc always did that.

The travel restrictions is manipulating ppl into feeling guilty about propping up Irish stay cations. Many many ppl booked holidays before any pandemic..

Dont let anyone guilt trip you into losing your hard earned money and enjoy the break away

Or you could think of it in a way that the Irish government would prefer if we didn’t travel to countries which we can’t monitor/track the interactions between people, so contract tracing becomes impossible.

If everyone stays in this country, we have the opportunity to limit the spread within the country, yes, there is a risk that people can travel into Ireland with covid, but if we don’t travel out and return there is less risk of it spreading within this country.